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 01-20-2005, 12:00 Post: 104555
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Just a question for the plumbing folks out there.

Look at my #1 picture. You can see me standing between my house and new garage (about 25' distance) over where the gas line for the furnace runs (no grass). In the spring I would like to run a water line from the house to the garage. Could I run it next to the gas line, or should it be further away. How deep sould it be run to prevent freeze-up? Garage is allways kept above freezing in winter.

I just picked up my tractor from the dealer for a warranty repair (FEL float detent) and now have to wash the road salt off it before the rust demonds set to work.





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 01-20-2005, 12:09 Post: 104557
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Most areas have specific codes about depth of water lines, gas and utilities. In our area we can call "Miss Dig" and they will locate all your underground stuff free allowing you to place additional stuff. They should also be able to tell you proper depths. I would think they should not be that close together so you don't disturb everything, anytime you need to add or repair.






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 01-20-2005, 12:29 Post: 104558
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Here in eastern Iowa most water lines are 5 1/2 - 6 ft. deep, and you seldom hear of a feeze up. I think they call it "Iowa one call" around here, long as you call them a couple days ahead they'll come out and locate any nearby utilitys. Just something I finally learned after digging the yard up again to add something new. Plastic underground electrical conduit is real cheap, so the last couple times we've dug a water line or electic service across the yard just lay an empty 2-3 in. conduit in the trench along with whatever you're installing, someday it'll come in handy. Frank.






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 01-20-2005, 22:51 Post: 104577
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Not a plumber but helped dig a few lines (septic) up. If you travel over the area with vehicals especially or clear the snow from the area regularily, I would go atleast 6'. where you are why take the chance for that extra foot or so. Also if you come up from the depths outside you should insulate it heavily. Anouther suggestion is, if you only go 3-4 foot down (which is dangerous) make sure you place 1-2" pink styrofoam over the top of the pipes maybe a foot or so wide, this will help keep the ground from freezing under the insulation.
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 01-21-2005, 14:10 Post: 104633
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AV8R
I like to have at least 5'. You might consider putting it in a 4" sewer and drain sch. 40. It is a lot easier to run a new line if ever need be. Or if
tou want to add something. The styrofoam is a good idea as well, for some insurance. It also marks your trench for future digging. I put it about a foot
down.
Are you coming up through your slab?Frost wall?






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 01-21-2005, 14:24 Post: 104636
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The other thing is the plain old PITA regulations.

In many places you cannot run another underground utility, either a) within x feet of a gas line, or b) 90 to and crossing a gas line at any depth.

This is to prevent two very possible scenarios. One, somebody tries to dig up the 'other' utility and hits the gas line. Two, the gas company don't want to have to wait for the electric or anybody else if they have to dig up their pipe in an emergency, and they certainly don't want to risk hitting a buried electric cable if the gas line is leaking.

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 01-21-2005, 14:40 Post: 104638
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Thanks for all the input. Murph hit the nail on the head with the regs. If I put a "permanent" water supply in the garage, I have to have a "permanent" drain tied into my septic. Not gonna do that.

To sum this idea up: Never Mind.

I'll do it on the next house and plan for it from the begining. Hot and cold water in the garage, in floor heat, bathroom, etc, etc...






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All good input so far. The only thing that I could think to add would be to go to your local building inspector.

Explain what you are thinking of doing and see what the regulations are and find out what the minimum requirements are. I have found that the building inspectors, at least in my small town, are always very helpful.

They will be able to tell you if you need a permit (I know - that dreaded word) or not. They really are more concerned with your safety and the public's than with the revenue that the permits bring in.

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Looks like we were typing at the same time and that you've reached a conclusion.

The next house? I shudder at the thought. My wife says that the only way we are moving is if we pick up the house and take it with us.






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AV8R, in Kentucky we typically bury water lines with 36" of cover. That would be too shallow for your area. Call your local water utility and ask for someone in engineering. Ask how deep they bury water service lines, this is the line from the main to the meter.

Installation in conduit is an excellent idea, I would recommend schedule 40 PVC.

You want a minimum of 10 ft of separation from the gas line or any other underground utility.

In Kentucky we have a "BUD" (before you dig) one call system that is mandated by state law, before you dig. However, utilities will only locate those facilities which belong to them. If its after the meter it probably won't be located.
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