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 09-07-1999, 00:00 Post: 7709
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Hello. I'm still looking at what tractor to buy and recently rented a Teramite 20 hp gas loader/backhoe. Here is my question with respect to the hydrostatic operation:I figure that the HST would operate similar to a gear tractor in low range when I press the peddle just a little bit. However, this rental just seemed to stop when digging into a large pile of stone sand. I had to kind of floor-it, wiggling the bucket, etc, to get a bite. But, i'm confused. Advancing the peddle is like shifting into high gear. Why, when just with a little peddle it doesn't walk right into it, like supper-low on my truck?Maybe it was just beat from heavy rental use? I also had a very whiny noise. After 8 hours it was kind of annoying. As much as I think HST is the way to go, maybe gears aren't that bad either. With gear, you would need a convient way to shift into reverse like some of the new tractors have.Thanks. Pete Reinhardhanks.






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 09-07-1999, 00:00 Post: 7712
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Pete,Sounds to me like the unit was low in fluid. My wheels spin long before the hydro quits. And if traction is good, the hydro pulls the motor down, similiar to a gear tranny. Sounds like it was low in fluid. Surely not a good example what a good hydro can do.






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 09-07-1999, 00:00 Post: 7715
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Pete,I think what you need to do is go to your local dealer (whatever color you choose) and try out a HST with a front loader to see for yourself what it is like and whether that is the right choice for you. It probably will be a whole lot better than the terramite.Good luck, Doug






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 09-07-1999, 00:00 Post: 7717
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Hi Pete; If you live in Maine, you are welcome to come try out my JD 755 hydro in my small gravel-pit. Usually at a dealer one doesn't get to put the tractor through the proverbial paces. If you could find an owner of a hydro that will let you try it out in a real world situation for an hour or so, I think it would give you a much better idea. I would ask your dealer for some names of owners. I do think hydro is the only way to go.David






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 09-07-1999, 00:00 Post: 7727
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Pete,I don't know much about a Teramite but I do know about hydrostat drives. Hydros are different than gear drives. With a gear drive you are constantly connected and when the tractor runs out of power it stalls. With hydro drive you are supplying a given amount of fluid pressure that will stall under load unless additional pressure is asserted. Pressing harder on the foot pedal is not the same as shifting to a higher gear if the load varies. I have a JD318 and JD4100 and I was bothered by the whining sound at first. Hydros are different but worth the cost as they allow infinite speed control with varying amounts of foot pressure. Still it sounds like you may have ran into a bad one.






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 09-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 7733
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Pete,There is nothing fun about spending a day clutching on a gear tractor. However, if I were to go with a gear tractor, I would only go for one that has Sync Reverser or Power Reverser... (a throw of a lever, forward or reverse) But, Nothing compares to Hydrostatic Drive on a Compact utility Tractor.. Sounds like you definatly had a beat terramite on your hands.. Hydro isn't like using gears at all, the only things that would be similar is that you have "RANGES" on a Hydro.. A B C on my JD4200.. A Range is a very strong powerful range, Breaking Piles etc. B Range is still a pretty powerful medium range..Mowing,Lighter Loader work etc.. C range is basically a Transport Range.. C Range is the Range that makes the most whining noise under stress.. Actually now that I think of it, you may have had a perfectly good Terramite, but you may have been in the travel range all the time you've had it.. not much power there. But when you are in A or B range doing Loader work, the deeper you push the pedals, the more power you are applying.. Can't get any easier than that can it?






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 09-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 7735
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Pete - The offer by dsg goes for me too. If you live in Central New York (syracuse area ) e-mail me and come try out my little Kubota. I really, really resisted buying hydro ( I wanted to fulfill my boyhood fantasy of being a real farmer with a real tractor, you know how that is ) but I went for it at the recommendation of this tractor board in part, and I would NEVER go back to gear.good luckPaul






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 09-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 7742
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pete, the people who wrote back I believe are right, I'm a dealer in central N.Y. and would be glad to show the differances in gear to hydro to you.there are normally 2 to3 ranges in hydro drive tractors. In digging conditions normally low or second range is best. high range is meant as a traveling range. the unit you were using might have been low on oil, if multi ranged in the wrong range, or just not built for what you wre doing. There is new terminalogy out there called pick and carry. IT was first used with skid steers and is meant to pick loose loads and carry, NOT DIG! It doesn't mean people won't dig but it is not at it's best doing that. With a hydro if using the machine to it's fullest you dn't need to spin your tires to fill your bucket but yes your hydro will moan some, less if in the proper range. be more than glad to throw another two cent's out if need be just e-mail






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