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 09-24-2002, 09:30 Post: 42861
James Wulf
2002-09-24 09:30:10
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 Question about remotes

Can someone explain to me (newbie) exactly what a remote is? Is it just an attachment point into the hydraulic system for a new implement? What exactly does it look like?

I'm looking at purchasing a used NH 1720 (1991) and would like to add a FEL and was asked by the FEL dealer if it had a remote?

Are there implements other than a FEL or backhoe that require hydraulics? And would you need more than one remote for a single implement?

Thanks.

-jwulf






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 09-24-2002, 19:41 Post: 42871
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In context, I believe what the loader dealer wants to know is if the tractor already has a spooling valve control assembly to operate the loader. If the tractor has it, then the loader is ready to mount, and the loader's hydraulic lines usually just click into quick-connect fittings on a valve assembly body. If the tractor doesn't have a valve assembly for a loader, then one has to be purchased and hooked into the tractor's auxiliary hydraulic system. A loader valve assembly, hoses and fittings do cost a bit, so there'd be an appreciable price increase if the tractor doesn't already have a valve assembly for a loader.

If I were brand new to tractors and buying a tractor from a dealer, I'd probably get a price from the tractor dealer to mount a loader rather than trying to figure it out myself. If it's a private sale, the seller should be able to say if there are valves for a loader and what kind of loader they're for. However, you might find yourself in-between the tractor and loader dealers and might not have the background to ensure that the tractor actually has what the loader dealer needs to connect it to the hydraulics. However, I donít think the situation is likely to come up. If the tractor isnít being sold with a loader, itís pretty unlikely that is has hydraulics for a loader, but you never know without asking.

I started out trying to provide some background and introduction into jargon about loader hydraulics but the post got too long and probably would just be confusing. I think the most useful thing I can say at the moment is if the tractor does have valves, get the seller and loader dealer talking to each other rather than you trying to figure it out and being a go-between. At a more leisurely pace, ask questions here because thereís a wealth of knowledge.






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 09-25-2002, 09:09 Post: 42888
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 Question about remotes

In Kubota language, a remote is any external hose, pipe or fitting that gives you full pressure and flow access to the hydraulic pump. I suspect what he is asking is, do I have to install such an access along with the loader or is it already plumbed?






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 09-25-2002, 12:32 Post: 42896
James Wulf
2002-09-25 00:00:00
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 Question about remotes

Thanks guys. I would be purchasing the tractor from it's current owner, and then going to the implement dealer for the addition of the FEL.
When I was speaking to the implement dealer on the phone about adding a bush hog brand FEL, he said that his catalog tended to indicate that the Ford 1720 came by default with the remote for the FEL, but I'm not sure that's the case.
-jwulf






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 09-26-2002, 06:07 Post: 42915
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If 1720's are similar to my 1710, there's a hydraulic manifold block on the lower right side of the engine. It has three steel hydraulic lines on it. The block contains the system pressure relief and diverter valves. The diverter valve selects between the remote or auxiliary hydraulic system. There are auxiliary system send and return ports on the block. To plumb a loader into the system, the input line to the loader valve is hooked to the aux output port, the output line is hooked to the aux return and the diverter valves is moved to the auxiliary system position. The use of power beyond valve assemblies would be normal for this type hookup, and PB valve assemblies require an additional line from the loader valve directly to the sump. There is a plug on the cases that is removed to accommodate a fitting for the line.

I'd be surprised if a 1720 didn't have similar equipment, but it would be good to ask. If so, the answer is simple, it's just a matter of screwing in the fittings that probably are a normal part of the loader package, which would include the loader valve assembly and changing the diverter valve. I suppose the loader dealer is asking because many older tractors don't have this type equipment. Some of them can get external hydraulics only by buying pretty much a whole new lift cover, which may not be readily available at any price.

The term 'remote' is a bit confusing since 3ph control valve assemblies are usually is called remote valves, but like Mark said, most any external outlet also is called a remote. It's a term best understood in context I think. Power-beyond is a confusing term in its own right.






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 09-27-2002, 13:00 Post: 42999
James Wulf
2002-09-27 00:00:00
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Thanks for all the info. I'll be taking a look at the tractor this weekend and will take a copy of your description with me!

-jwulf






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