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 03-28-2000, 00:00 Post: 14236
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am I missing something here?...or just interpretting the data incorrectly?NH TC33D 3ph at 24" aft = 1635#, deere 4300 and kubota 3010 = 2200#NH 7308 FEL = 800#, deere 430 = 1258, kubota L481 = 1058I really want to go blue...cost and ergonomics are great...but I'm concerned/confused over the apparent disparity here....help me out here NH owners!






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 03-28-2000, 00:00 Post: 14258
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I don't know for a fact, but the way this guy up the hill from me with a Kabota explained it; most tractors advertise total 3 pt. lift, where as NH tells what they will lift 24" behind the 3 pt. hitch. Like for example, my TC29D will lift about 2000 at the hitch, but only 1635 24" behind the hitch. What do you have that weighs a ton that you need to pickup and carry around?
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 03-28-2000, 00:00 Post: 14259
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Donald...what do I have that weighs a ton that I have to carry around??........obviously you've never seen my neighbor's wife!*L*...and its even worse when she gets stuck in the fence!............seriously, the numbers I quoted are all at 24" behind the 3ph. I don't really expect to be carrying 2000 pounds around very often......however, I am still curious as to why the disparity............especially in the loader.






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 03-29-2000, 00:00 Post: 14263
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It may have nothing to do with the strength of the 3pt. It might be a figure related to something else entirely. For example, it might be that a certain company has decided not to publish a figure for 3pt lift that would be greater than the amount that would cause the front of the tractor to lighten-up by more than some percentage of the normal downforce on the front tires. I can see a valid safety argument there....
One thing that is probably NOT a reason for the difference is any sort of improvement or difference in lift or hydraulic circuit design. These things are all real similar - and well worked out. It might be a real difference because a company has decided to be more conservative with the stress, or it might be a paper difference because a company has decided for whatever reason to publish a lower number. I'd like to know how to find this out myself, but haven't the slightest idea how to go about it.






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 03-29-2000, 00:00 Post: 14265
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I have good luck posing technical questions through e-mail links on corporate web sites. The queries usually get passed through sales and customer service areas to technical people. It works for me with implement manufactures, but I haven't tried contacting a tractor manufacturer.

This discussion got me thinking that I don't know the 3ph capacity of my Ford 1710. I checked, and there is no capacity stated in either my owner's or repair manual. There is a general safety discussion about front ballast and heave 3ph implements.

From this, I'd guess that Roger's idea that the lift capacity is really more of a safety than a structural issue may be correct. Seems like it would be good engineering to over-design the hitch structure so that safe operation isn't going to break the hitch. In that case, differences in ratings may be affected by how much weight is in front of the rear axle and the wheel base.

Another relevant question might be if a rated capacity is with or without front ballast? A related question is: If a 3ph rating is with front ballast, is there a maximum front ballast rating from the manufacturer?

Guess I should figure this one out since I've had 3ph pallet forks on order for a few weeks now.






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 03-29-2000, 00:00 Post: 14269
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good responses guys...it seems to me though, if a certain manufacturer notices a disparity between his published specs and his competitor's published specs, and the disparity was NOT in his favor...he would try to provide an explanation to show his specs were just as good as his competitor's....UNLESS he's intentionaly trying to promote confusion................






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 03-29-2000, 00:00 Post: 14270
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I think Roger has it right, the top 3 reasons I can think of for the difference is 1)sales figures, 2)warranty claim figures, and 3)product liability....I have a friend who works for a large company which produces (amongst other things) ladders, he tells me that only 25% of what the MANUFACTURER gets for a ladder is to cover cost of manufacture and profit, of the remainder, 15% goes to marketing, 10% for warranty(since they replace, not repair them) the other 50% of the money goes into a slush fund to pay-off people who fall off and sue...






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 03-29-2000, 00:00 Post: 14271
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It seems to me that if you are pushing the weight limits that closely, you might want to be looking at bigger tractors. I don't recall ever seeing a 2000 pound implement with Cat 1 pins on it.






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 03-29-2000, 00:00 Post: 14283
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I checked my info sheets for this same information. I compared the JD790, Kubota L2500 and TC29. Their specs are: 24" behind 3PH lift point - JD 815lbs, Kubota 1435lbs, NH TC29 1635lbs. FEL lift capacity at full height - JD70 ? (didn't get the brochure), Kubota LB400/LA450S-1 883lbs, NH7308 800 lbs. I don't know if it makes a big difference, but all of these are standard transmission tractors.

Although I didn't buy any of these, I did shop them all and had decided on the JD because of price. However, we got lucky and picked up a 98 NH 1730 (200hrs), 7308, bushhog and blade at a great price. I am very happy.

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 03-29-2000, 00:00 Post: 14288
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Are all of these hydraulic systems 2500 psi? That would make a difference over and above loader geometries.






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