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 12-01-2004, 11:03 Post: 101375
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I wouldn't rush out to buy a new Case or New Holland in the near future. The union employees have been locked out in a labor dispute and CNH is using replacement workers to build the tractors. I'd be very weary of the quality they are producing.






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 12-01-2004, 11:34 Post: 101377
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When did this begin?






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 12-01-2004, 11:49 Post: 101378
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Sprobst--

I saw a posting about three weeks ago from a NH plant worker about impending layoffs. The posting brought about a very lengthy series of discussions about the value of unions, the role of management, supply and demand, trashing of Wal-Mart, etc. etc. The discussions got a little pointed on some occaisions.

I lookd for the string, but could not locate it. Perhaps the site administrator deleted it, or maybe I didn't look in the right place.

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 12-01-2004, 11:54 Post: 101379
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Sprobst--

Look under the "hot subjects" message board on the lower right hand section of the Tractorpoint home page. The message string is titled "possible strike" by Brokenarrow, and was originally posted sometime ago, with follow ups as late as last month.

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 12-01-2004, 13:44 Post: 101380
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My post wasn't about whether the company's position is right or the union's position is right. But CNH currently has several hundred new and inexperienced workers building machines that cost 10s of thousands of dollars. Strike began Nov. 3, strike ended Nov. 23 but then CNH locked out the union, opting to build tractors with replacement workers. They stated something about that being in the customers best interest. Yah right.






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 12-01-2004, 15:01 Post: 101381
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If you can trust what the dealers say, you should not worry about CUT's, they aren't built in either case or NH factories. Probably if there is a strike in Japan or wherever they are built, I would worry. as far as other equipment, maybe worry






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 12-01-2004, 18:19 Post: 101397
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The strike was for large 120+ hp tractors. Every thing else is built over seas. Don't try to get people ralled up about some thing that you know nothing about.

Also as far as the larger tractors go. Even if a defective one would happen to get out of the plant, after they test every component as it is installed. We at the dealership also go over every tractor with a fine tooth comb.

In short save your accusations for something else.






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 12-02-2004, 17:49 Post: 101453
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The cuts come from dublin Ga. USA Assem.
Oneace there have been a grand totall of 2 tractors come off the line (which was full when we walked out so those 2 tractors were already built) These guys are right, you dont want to buy one of the tracors built after Nov. 3. They are wrong though they are not tens of thousands try a hundred + thousand each for the one we produce. Laughing out loud
(WE)
Anyway oneace, your right about the tractors being tested before they come off the line, the problem comes in when you know the reat of the story. NO MANAGEMENT personel knows most of the ins and outs of what we do. There are a few manegement guys (mostly retired ones) that are pretty good but for the most part they could not find their ass with both hands. This is not B.S. Our middle management(IE supervisors/engineers/"purchasing for parts" and so on) does such a fine job of hideing and covering up their lack of knowlege from the UPPER management that the company's upper upper's had a reality check about 2 weeks into the strike. You see the 100 scabs that were shipped in from a staffing agency were on the job and NO tractors were coming off the line? WHY??? Because the line was not able to move without anyone there that knows what is going on. You see assembling a tractor cant be done from reading a routing or directions! You really need to know wht the hell your doing and that is not learned in a few weeks (even from guys that know what they are doing that train others) My management "snitch" told me that they were told, "you better have tractors rolling by the Thangksgiving weekend" And work all weekend if need be!" Guess what? They did not even work Sat. WHY? They (management) had to fess up and tell them they CANT run the line! Laughing out loud ROTFLMAO! You think management will have a few heads roll when this is done? ANyway they are now just trying to supply the other CNH plant (like Fargo) with the parts that we make for them. They are more than likely doing that ok because it is just running machines and using the gauges that I made to check parts.
Today I saw ONE tractor come out the door, they were test driving it around the plant. Pretty good eh? Guess what? That was a tractor that was about 85% built already yep the 5 one from the end! (My faithful snitch gave me this info) The other 2 are in the repaire bay. The first day they tried to move the line one of the hot shot scabs and a management guy dropped a fully loaded cab! Rolled the sucker!
I could go on and on. Laughing out loud The long and short of this is that you better not believe what you read on the NYSE sights and news clippings put out by the company. My dealer told me they were told that everything was hunky dory and they resumed tractor operations the next week? NOT!!!! I am on that truck entrance EVERYDAY and have watch 2 tractor come out the door. One more today for a grand total of 3 in a month. This is just what Deere needs to totally collapse cnh's 120hp + market share.
Sorry Oneace but as far as I am concerned I hope JD slams CNH like the slugs those FIAT (forign assholes)tirants are. They dont give a rats ass about American workers they just want to produce a cheap tractor. Just like their loser car company (which we have been bailing out for the past 1 1/2 years) If JD can make a profit and have their employees make a decent wage with decent benifits why cant CNH? I will tell you why, our management needs a totall overhaul, Deere has better management and better direction.
I will leave you with this, dont believe anything you read about what was offered and what was not. This work agreement that they want to force on us is totally substandard and frankly is a joke from a company like Case/Newholland. Anyone wants any info ask me and I will e-mail you anything you have questions about. For starters if I go back to work I will imediatley lose 14K in wage and benifits and that only goes up from there as the year goes on. Buisness is not that bad! JD is making money hand over fist paying their workers a good wage the problem is with fiat, is that they want to make more than their fair share and if they can screw evey american worker they can that gets in their way!
Screw Newholland,. I get sick everytime I look at that butt ugly front end on my tractor (Laughing out loud HEE HEE)
Brokenarrow:: future kubota owner!!






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 12-02-2004, 19:36 Post: 101460
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I didn't think the quality of my 2002 TC33D with 250 hrs on it could get any worse! Fuse door won't stay shut, starter siezed up, battery is still over-charging, the 3-pt lever broke at the pivot, ignition switch replaced, hood's plastic parts and shrouds don't align and rub on each other, rubber elbows at hyd. cooler split open, the lower 3-pt arms with extending pivots are shot ($235 each!) ---and it will be worse than that?






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 12-02-2004, 19:58 Post: 101463
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Where are the smaller tractors assembled (super-steers and the like)? Just wondering how my former employer is going to fare.

Best of luck to you guys.

BTW the old Case plant in Milwaukee burned down recently, so there's no going back to that one either.






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