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 06-22-2007, 11:06 Post: 143124
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Need help. Very new in Agriculture Industry. Just bought a piece of 36 acres land in orange county, NY. 16 acres muck land can farm. 16 acres forest I don't know how the people use it.
For that 16 acres muck land, plan to grow some vegetables and nursery plant in the next 5 years. The land is flat, dirt is very soft. I think I just need a simple tractor with FEL and Tiller.Since it is black dirt, 16 inches ground clearance is must be.
Considering L2800 or JD 790 now. Any suggestion is appreciated.






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 06-23-2007, 08:48 Post: 143137
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I seem to have lost about four acres, is that lawn? Will the tractor also have to do that duty to? I know that much of the muck land I've seen has been farmed off enough the muck is not as deep as years ago when only worked with dozers. I would recommend the ag tires for the traction needed to till or work with this type soil. They would not be good for the lawn area.






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 06-23-2007, 13:01 Post: 143139
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Kangaroo and Art; First Art is right on with the tire choice advice, Ag work needs R-1 tires, but they are nasty on the lawn. I use R-4's, they are gentle enough for the lawn but they don't hold a candle to R-1's for field work, I've got other tractors for that. My next queation is to both of you, please describe what you call "Muck Land". Are you are talking about flat black soils that are poorly drained and high in organic matter, but the best soil types on the face of the earth when tiled out? Around here we called that Slough ground,(Pronounced Slew), or in simple terms swamp land. It got farmed some years when we had a dry spring, but in years of normal rainfall it sometimes just went unused. It was just bogs and slough grass that cattle wouldn't eat, some of it that was never farmed was virgin praire. I don't know if I should be proud to say that I'm old enough to have broken virgin praire or not, but I did drain and break virgin praire in the early 60's. After WW2 farmers began to realize that the most productive soil types they owned were in the sloughs and bogs. That is when drain tile came into the picture. During about a 20 year period after WW2 Uncle Sam even paid part of the cost to drain the swamps and turn it into the best corn producing land in the world. Not to brag, but we Iowan's own 25% of the grade A farmland in the USA. In the past few years the State DNR has put strict rules in place to stop draining the "Wetlands" in Iowa for the benefit of the wildlife, so if you did'nt get the swamp drained 20 years ago either forget it or do it in the dark. All this rambling is leading up to me wondering if your New York "Muck Land" is the same as our Swamp land and needs to be tiled before it is productive or if it is naturally drained enough to make it easy to farm. Frank.






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 06-23-2007, 22:02 Post: 143150
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Thanks, Art. That 4 acres is almost all forest too but is high land with solid fundation, hopefully I can put some bulidings on that later. Other 32 (include 16 forest) are muck land. The open 16 acres 20 years before is a farm. Right now, all the ditch system are almost dispeared. That is why it is zoning as wet land now.
My problem is I don't know what is my necessary tool list for vege and nursery shrubs. Kubota L2800 or John Deere JD 790 to me because they are simple than some new models. Looks like 800-1300lb small loader, and 4'-5' tiller and rought cut mower can do 90% jobs now. But I really don't know what is waiting for me. Because if that is the most of jobs in next 5 years, what are the real differentd to choose 25HP, 29HP or 34HP to me? I am also researching Kioti CK25 and Mahindra 2615. Mahindra 2615 right now have $650 rebate and 0% finance for 48 month until July, 31. But all the dealers are 80-100 miles awaySo Sad. Normally, it is necessary to visit often? small parts are very easy order from internet now.






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 06-23-2007, 22:51 Post: 143152
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hardwood:
So happy you can reply my post. I don't like working in the city for rest of my life. That is why I bought this land to start from a side business first. In past 5 years I try the almost every kind of available vege and nursery items in my back yard. But don't have any field experiance before. So many thing need to learn. Orange county NY (with 2 hr from Manhattan) has one of the biggest onion planting acres in US. They are all plant on this kind of black dirt muck land.
It is naturally drained enough to make it easy to farm. My land is right on the north border of this magic area. The thick of black dirt is 15 feet here. idea for vege growing. There is old well on the land and a stream cross the field to a small river. Because no farming on this land in the past 20 years, all the ditches need re-build. Now it is wet partially when heavy rainning. Look at the picture I post. I love all kinds of planning.





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 06-24-2007, 08:29 Post: 143155
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Kangaroo: 15 feet of topsoil, WOW that is exceptional. How did it get there, the glacier, erode in from higher ground? By the looks of the picture I'd say you have abouit as much organic matter in the top foot as can be had, that's good. If New York rules are anything like Iowa, getting land back out of wetlands can be a tough deal, perhaps with some history and evedence of past agricultural activity on the land might help. You have a big job ahead to try to bring all the Muck Land back into production in one fell swoop, perhaps rent some to a neighbor for general farm crops and do maybe 2 or three acres to start. Three acres with a tiller is a BIG job. Frank.






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 06-24-2007, 09:51 Post: 143157
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Thanks, hardwood. Actually I love all kinds of hardwood 2. Especially cocobolo and all kinds of rose woods. I installed 1500 sf hardwood floor in my home by myself.Wink yeah right

Tiller upto 3 acres is a BIG job? But I am really no idea how BIG it is with 790 or L2800 and a 4'-5' tiller. One day job (8hr), two days? Could you give me a hint? This kind of experience can not learn from books.So Sad






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 06-25-2007, 05:35 Post: 143176
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Kangaroo; After reading your posts on the 790 doing the long list of things you want done I'm afraid you may not understand the size tractor in relation to the size of the jobs you want done. The picture of your muck land tells me you need a regular farm tractor that will pull a three furrow moldboard plow to "Turn Under" all the grass you have growing, and you may have to first kill the grass with Roundup then burn it off to get that much grass thru a plow without it pluging up. I am only assuming that you have a regular off farm job besides doing the 16 acres of muck with the tiller, so I questioned where you would find the time to use a tiller for that many acres. I've never did a full 16 acres at one time with my tiller which is bigger than yours, but without any rock/root/grass plugging problems I've spent 2-3 hours tilling one acre, so even with a bigger machineyou would likely spend 40-50 hours of solid tiling to do 16 acres. Enjoy your day. Frank.






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 06-25-2007, 08:34 Post: 143179
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Kangaroo,

Frank (Hardwood) is correct. You're in need of a big tractor and some serious farm implements before you'll be able to break up your land. This is a job for a much larger tractor, probably in the 90-140 horsepower range.

You have several options to consider. You could hire a local farmer to come over and break up your soil for you. After that, you may be able to care for your land with a smaller tractor. If this is not an option, you may decide to purchase a much larger tractor than the two you have listed here.

Large farm tractors are easy to find, and they don't cost as much as you might think, especially if you are willing to purchase a used one. Plows and cultivators are very cheap, if you're interested in attending farm retirement auctions.

Most farm tractors have the necessary hydraulic remotes installed, which you will need to operate the hydraulic cylinders on a plow, or cultivator. If you are willing to spend a little time fixing up an old plow, and cultivator, you could probably obtain all three implements for only a couple of thousand dollars, or even less.

Recently, at a farm retirement auction I attended, I could have purchased an older four-bottom plow for less than 200 dollars. And an older Case tractor, needed to pull such a plow, sold for less than 3000 dollars, in running condition.

You would never be out a single penny when making such a purchase, as there are many people, like you, who would be willing to purchase the tractor and the implements from you, once are done using them.

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 06-25-2007, 09:35 Post: 143189
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candoarms & hardwood
Thanks so much spending time on a agriculture junior like me. Each word you wrote is very appriciated.
I may let a local farmer help bottom plow 6 acres this year first, and buy a 40HP around new tractor with FEL and Tiller do the rest jobs. I am also a agrigulture mechanic dummy now. New tractor and implement with guarantee is a must to me. I plan to plant some fall oriental veges for testing purpose this year.
I have no idea about how loud the noise when operation too? 80-110 db I read from internet. I know I can wear a 29-30 db nrr ear muff to protect. But, this article I linked still scare me little bit.So Sad
Is HST and 4 cylinders engin helpful?






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