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 10-21-2004, 22:01 Post: 98980
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I just purchased a used JD 4700 with 460 FEL with 360 hrs. I have a lot of brush, limbs and small downed trees to clean up. Any suggestions on which is better the grapple or 4 in 1 bucket?






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 10-22-2004, 05:47 Post: 98992
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Mike1819: I had a Deere grapple on a Deere full size farm tractor. We had lots of old fencerow wire, posts, brush, rocks, you name it to move. It done a great job for the task I was dealing with. It was just a bit clumbsy for most other smaller jobs, so I sold it and put a Deere 4 in 1 bucket on the 430 loader. The 4 in 1 is a bit small for big brush jobs, but it seems to make up for that limitation doing dirt work, fine grading and that sort of thing. I'd say the 4 in 1 just has more potential uses that a grapple unless you have hay bales to move, grapples are great for that. Just my experience. Frank.






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 10-23-2004, 12:31 Post: 99114
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 4 in1 bucket vs grapple bucket

What is a ?
4 in 1 bucket
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 10-23-2004, 22:21 Post: 99137
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Ibrown59: A grapple is an attachment for a front end loader bucket. They are used to keep bulky things such as brush, big round bales and other things in the bucket by pivoting a fork like attachment that closes down hydraulicly to the cutting edge of the bucket holding loose things in the bucket to carry them to where you want them. Then when you raise the fork attachment up away from the bucket edge the bulky material falls out. A 4 in 1 bucket is more of a landscape tool. The floor and the sides of the bucket are controled by a hydraulic cylinder on each end of the bucket that will pivot the floor and sides up out of the way turning your bucket into a basic dozer blade. Kinda think of it as a pac man looking thing that opens and closes to grab things in it's mouth and carry them away. I use mine a lot when digging out smaller trees with the backhoe on the rear of the tractor then with the 4 in 1 on the loader just turn around, open the 4 in 1 and push a few small trees together, close the bucket till it grabs and holds them and carry them awaw without ever getting of the seat to load the brush on the bucket. The first 4 in 1's I remember seeing were back in the late 50's when the Drott company built them for full size dozers, I was fascinated to watch what a skilled operator could do with one of them, from leveling dirt to grabing junk cars and stacking them. Hope this somewhat explains the functions of the grapple and the 4 in 1. Frank.






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 10-24-2004, 07:05 Post: 99149
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Thanks for the info. I'm trying to decide exactly what I need without paying alot of money that won't do the job at hand.
How large of items like small trees etc. will a 4 in 1 bucket pick up?






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 10-24-2004, 09:07 Post: 99154
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Mike1819: I'm not sure if Deere uses the same 4 in 1 bucket for a 460 loader as they sell for the 430's, possibly it's a heavier bucket for your machine. One 3 in. diamater tree 15 ft. tall with a root ball the size of a bushel basket is about the limit on my 4310 and 430 loader, but I can gather and pick up five or six one inch trees at a time. It takes a little practice to gather and grab, but you'll get the hang of it. I try to spend a few days every spring or late fall after harvest using the 4310 W/48 hoe and the 4 in 1 taking saplings out of the fence rows before they become big chain saw type trees. Some how a chain saw used to be kind of a fun thing to operate, but becoming "Mature", not "Old", has given me a different view of chain saws. Hope this helps. Frank.






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I like both kinds of buckets but favor the 4 in 1 slightly for versatility. It will more easily grab small items like a single shrub or small tree still in the ground and rip it out, old wire fence grown into the weeds. You can also grab a long RR tie and use it to level loose dirt more quickly. Its also nice to use open to bulldoze. 4 in 1 truly is.






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 10-27-2004, 10:24 Post: 99345
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I have some bigger stuff lying on a down hill slope. Which would work best for getting this type of stuff out in the open where I can do something with it? How large of a tree can you grab with your 4 in1? With your grapple?






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A word of advise about 4-in-1 or grapple buckets.

As an example, the average CUT of this size has a FEL with a MAXIMUM capacity of about 1500 pounds. This is in a perfect world, with maximum counter balance on the 3pth. In reality, half that is a good 'working' capacity, in this case about 750 pounds.

If you add a 4-in-bucket to a machine of this class to the FEL you are adding at least another 300 pounds to the weight of the FEL itself, thereby reducing the useful payload of the FEL by the same amount.

The volume capacity of a 4-in-1 is usually a LOT less than with a standard bucket of the same width. If you normally use it for light bulky material this could be a real PITA.

I have a 4-in-1 on my full-sized TLB, but wouldn't consider putting one one my 'Bota, the forks do everything I need it to, when I need a 4-in-1 it's because I need serious muscle. I doubt a CUT would have the up-force required to tear much of a tree out of the ground, even if the 4-in-1 would grab it well enough to do that on a small machine.

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Murf,
What is your recommendation? Grapple or 4 in 1? The dealer told me that the capacity of the 460 FEL on the 4700 is about 2300#?? Since this is a large frame chassis, would I run into the same thing you're talking about?
Is there something better to do this with?






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