TOP AND TILT KIT: John Deere Review  -- John Deere Tractors Discussion Forum and Review TOP AND TILT KIT: John Deere Review -- John Deere Tractors Discussion Forum

  parts   |   manuals   |   discussion   |   photos   |   podcast   |   reviews   |   specs   |   dealers   |   classifieds   |   contact   |   faq   |   myProfile   |   home          Login Now | Sign Up


FAQ:   What is a tractor?

Forum Index

Kubota Tractors
  Kubota News
  Kubota Price
  Kubota Review
John Deere Tractors
  John Deere News
  John Deere Price
  John Deere Review
New Holland Tractors
  New Holland Tractor Price
  New Holland Tractor Revie
Other Tractor Brands
  Articulated Tractors
  Belarus
  Bobcat Tractors
  Case
  Cub Cadet
  Hinomoto
  Kioti Tractor
  Long
  Massey Ferguson
  Mitsubishi
  Other Tractor Brands
  Other Tractor News
  Shibaura
  Yanmar Tractors
Lawn and Garden Tractors
  Craftsman
  Cub Cadet Garden
  John Deere Garden
  Kubota Lawn Garden
  Other Garden Tractors
  Simplicity
  Toro Wheelhorse
  Ventrac Lawn Tractors
Antique Tractors
  Allis Chalmers
  Case David Brown
  Farmall IHC
  Ford
  Ford 9N 2N 8N
  Fordson
  Harry Ferguson
  John Deere Older
  Massey-Harris Ferguson
  Minneapolis Moline
  Oliver Cletrac Cockshutt
  Restoration
  Tractor Pulling
Tractor Attachments Implements 3ph
  Back Hoe
  Field Mowers Brush Cutter
  Grooming Mowers Finish Mo
  Loaders
  Snowblowers / Snow Plows
  Tillers and Ploughs
  Tractor Implements
  Trenchers
  Wood Chippers 3PH
Tractor Maintenance
  Diesel Fuel Lubrication E
  Tractor Engine Repair Reb
  Tractor Tires
Utility ATV
  All Terrain Vehicles
  John Deere Gator
  Mule Utility Vehicles
General Tractor
  Farming Ranching Agricult
  Photo Contest
  Size Tractor Needed
  Tractor Projects
  Tractor Safety
  Welding
Chinese Tractors
  Jinma Farmpro Agracat
  NorTrac Tractors
  Other Chinese Tractors
Cars
  All Brands
  Audi VW
  BMW
  Car Tires and Maintenance
  Chrysler
  Exotic, Sports, Racing
  Ford Cars
  General Motors
  Honda
  Hyundai
  Mercedes
  News
  Nissan
  Subaru
  SUV and Trucks
  Toyota Cars
Trucks Trailers
  Chevy Pickup Trucks
  Dodge Pickup Trucks
  Ford Pickup Trucks
  Toyota Pickup Trucks
  Chevy Pickup Trucks
  Dodge Pickup Trucks
  Ford Pickup Trucks
  Toyota Pickup Trucks
Home Building
  Alternate Electric Energy
  Barns Pole Barns
  Buying Ranch Farm Acreage
  Carpentry
  Contractors
  Electric
  Excavation
  Moldings Finish Trim
  Other Home Building
  Pellet Stoves
  Plumbing
  Wood Stoves
Tools
  Electirc Power Tools
  Gas Power Tools
  Generators
  Shop Tools
  Techniques Howto
Landscape
  Flowers Shrubs Garden
  Golf Course Maintenance
  Irrigation Systems
  Landscape Design
  Landscape Lighting
  Landscape Maintenance
  Lawn, Turf, and Grass
  Vegetable Gardening
Construction
  Caterpillar
  Komatsu
  Wheel Loaders
Current Events Health Happiness
  Current Events
  Dogs and other Pets
  Electronics And Computers
  Food
  Health
  Just For Fun Off Topic
  Movies Music Games
  Personal Finance Investme
  Sports Outdoors
Tractorpoint Site
  Member Photos
  Site Members
  Website Operations Howto


New As Posted | Active Subjects



Click to Post a New Message!

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > John Deere Review Forum

Page [ 1 ] |
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo
 02-02-2003, 02:36 Post: 48532
17ACRES



Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Lake Stevens, WA.
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 15
 TOP AND TILT KIT

I am in negotiations with the JD dealer for a new 4510. When I have mentioned that I would like to have the TOP AND TILT KIT installed, they give me a funny look and ask "what would you want with that". I get the feeling that they don't have much experience with it. But quess what! I don't either. It is in their option list and it looks to me like it would be handy to tilt and rotate a rear implement from the tractor seat. I will have about 1700 ft of gravel road to maintain and will have a lot of landscaping to do as I develop my property. Does anyone have any experience with this option? Do you like it? Would you purchase it again? Comments?

Thanks






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 02-02-2003, 05:08 Post: 48533
TomG

TP Contributor

Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Upper Ottawa Valley
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5406
 TOP AND TILT KIT

It's also called tip and tilt or TnT.

I can see the dealer's comment if they're mostly ag oriented. In most operations the top-link and side-level are set when starting and then never touched again. Some landscaping operations are very different and frequent adjustments are required and adjustments on the fly are helpful.

I have the top portion and it is almost indispensable for box scraper use. I control action of the scraper almost entirely with the hydraulic top-link and seldom touch the 3ph. The top enables me to change from cut to drag to spread on the fly. I can't imagine having to stop and make manual adjustments each time I have a full box and want to drag it somewhere and then again to spread it.

I have thought about getting a tilt as well but I have a crank 3ph leveler so changing the tilt isn't too bad. I do use the leveler when I'm cutting a new side-grades such as road crowns. After the grades are cut the tractor is on the same angle as the grade so they can be maintained with a level implement. If I had a tilt I'd probably also use it with my 3ph forklift. I sometimes change the tilt so the forks will cleanly run under or release from a pallet that's sitting on rough ground or a flatbed.

To me, the top is indispensable for what I do. The tilt would be handy, but I haven't had to crank the side-leveler enough to motivate me into buying one. For a price comparison, I think TISCO is an after-market company that sells top and TnT kits. I'm not sure how the quality compares to a dealer kit.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 02-02-2003, 05:55 Post: 48537
hardwood

TP Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: iowa
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3582
 TOP AND TILT KIT

17 Acres, I haven't saw a top and tilt on a tractor, but do know what they are. I've got a Land Pride 45 Series rear blade that has a tilt cylinder for the blade plus a swing cylinder for the hitch frame. These two adjustments turn an ordinary blade into an awsome machine. The 45 Series might be too heavy for your 4610, but I'm sure they make like blades in smaller sizes I don't remember the cost difference between mine and a conventional blade, nor the cost of a top and tilt, but I do know what a great feature it could be for a blade, box scraper, etc.. Hope this info helps.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 02-02-2003, 11:21 Post: 48543
liledoun



Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North Carolina
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 2
 TOP AND TILT KIT

The Dealer supplied top and tilt will be a secondary source package that Deere sells for around $700. That does NOT include the hydraulics that will be required. A third and fourth control valve and hosed will have to be ordered. I know on my 4300 the whole kit was quoted at over $1200.

I did some checking around and found things availabel for me to make my own for much less. I got a top link complete from Greene Manufacturing (www.green-mfg.com). Their link is a Cat II but with a couple bushings and some hoses from Tractor Supply and I was in business. I already had the third control valve installed. Total cost for me was considerably less than $150

The tilt cylinder was a little harder. The cylinder I got was one from the Princedirect.com site. Their surplus listing had a 2X4 tie rod listed for $35 with missing pins, etc. I made a pivot end for the top, welded a bracket at the proper angle on a 1" nut and screwed it on the threaded end of the cylinder rod. It works great and with hoses I only have about $50 in it.

I have only one hydraulic outlet on the back of the tractor so I only use one at a time. I may put a diverter valve on the outlet or add a forth and fifth control valve via the power beyond connection.

I would recommend that you get the tractor with as much of the hydraulics as you can and do some research on the cylinder sources.

Good Luck

JRF








Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo


Page [ 1 ] |

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > John Deere Review Forum

Thread 48532 Filter by Poster:
17ACRES 1 | hardwood 1 | liledoun 1 | TomG 1 |

 (advanced search)

Picture of the Day
tleavitt77

John Deere Older - 1952 John Deere 40-U Add External hydraulics
1952 John Deere 40-U Add External hydraulics


Unanswered Questions

Shibaura SD2203 rear axle oil
Mitsubishi MX55
Gator HPX ignition module
SL 1643
Removing LHS rear wheel beari
Gear Grinding 1200A - primary
Replacing a friction diskwashe
Bolens k1502 mitsubishi K3 ove


Active Subjects

Where Murf
Big country 4x2 utility vehicl
Operation
lift cylinder for 3pt hitch wo
Still have jerk in hydro
Flatulent gifts human and dog
front mount snowblower
Hydraulics Won t Work


Hot Topics

NorTrac Tractor Quality Review
Case 446 hydraulic pump
Long 460 hydraulic problem
Jinma Tractor w transmission p
Flatulent gifts human and dog
Generator set up ideas wanted
6X4 Gator Sometimes Shudders
Roof VP75 Brush Mower Manual


Featured Suppliers

Mountain Creek Labradoodles
      MountainCreekLabradoodles.com





New Forums on Gun Sport Shooting and Hunting -- BarrelPoint.com  New Forums on Horses ManePoint.com
Talk Horses at ManePoint
Hunting + Gun Sports at BarrelPoint



Most Viewed

+ John Deere 2210 Backhoe Review
+ John Deere vs Kubota Compact Tractors
+ John Deere 790 fuel shut-off solenoid failing
+ John Deere low viscosity HY GARD
+ John Deere JD 4100 Wiring diagram
+ JD 790 or Kubota L3000DT
+ Should I buy a John Deere 4105
+ John Deere 4300 turns over but won t start
+ John Deere 455 garden tractor
+ Oil Change for Diesel Tractor

Most Discussion

+ John Deere 4300 scuffing
+ Possible Solution To The 4000
+ Dealer out to lunch
+ Just got my new JD 4410 - Prob
+ Hello Green Goodbye Orange
+ Receiver hitch for iMatch
+ 4300 wheel bolt problems
+ 4000 Ten Series 50 hour break
+ Don t buy JD compact tractors
+ Oil Change for Diesel Tractor

Newest Topics

+ tractor stalling
+ tractor dies
+ 1200A Bunker Rake
+ Oil overflow from tube and Smoke
+ John Deere 4100 gear 3 point not workin
+ 2000 John Deer Gator 4 X2
+ Mini Excavator SY20C - Small Body with Big Power
+ John Deer 1070 starting problem
+ John Deere 990
+ Tractors R Us
















Turbochargers for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Cab Glass for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Alternators for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Radiators for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Driveline Components for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Starter Motors for Tractors and Industrial Machines