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 04-27-2000, 11:26 Post: 15131
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Took delivery yesterday on a new JD4400 with 430 loader and 48 backhoe. Only got to play with it a little while, but thought I would share my experiences. So many people (myself included) use this board to help make informed purchase decisions that I will try to update my ownership experiences regularly on this thread. I promise to comment on the good, the bad, and the ugly as objectively as possible.The tractor was delivered in excellent condition by the owner of the dealership personally (nice touch). Tractor was clean, no rust, and a fresh coat of wax. Some scratches on the backhoe had been touched up with paint and looked great. I had received the operations run-through last week at the dealership, so I just gave the machine a once-over inspection. Everything was delivered correctly as ordered with the exception of a missing bucket level indicator. I found two minor initial quality defects. One was a missing label decal for the DSCV control lever lock. The other was that the dealership had mounted the optional rear worklights under the top of the FROPS instead of on the side. This is a better position during operation, but when I fold the ROPS with the backhoe installed, the lights will come to rest on the backhoe control lever guard. I will adjust the lights mounting to fix this. This tractor has the new front axle design: the front tires do NOT scuff in 2WD, even at full lock, forward or reverse. I was operating on moist clay soil so anything would have shown up. In 4WD I could get some slippage at sharp turning angles, but I fully expect this on wet clay. The hydrostatic drive pedals had been set by the dealership to the "lesser spring tension" setting at my request, and the pedal pressure and return seemed excellent.Overall Grade on tractor appearance and initial quality: AOverall Grade on dealer prep and delivery: B+ (Would have been A+ except for forgotten bucket level indicator and worklight position).Best surprise: The removeable toothbar looks awesome! Now to see how it works.






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 04-27-2000, 13:45 Post: 15138
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Congratulations on your purchase. I am planning to buy the exact same setup with the addition of a 60 inch belly mounted finish mower. I think this board is great. This kind of info is worth its weight in gold to me because sometimes it is hard to sift through the sales pitch and get the real facts from the dealer. I am really interested in how the 48 backhoe works for you. I saw somewhere that the reach of the hoe is about 11 feet from the pivot point and I was wondering how far the stabilizer feet stick out to the side of the machine while in use. The reason I ask is that I have about 800 feet of 6 foot wide drainage ditch to keep clear and was wondering if the 48 backhoe had enough length to reach all the way across the ditch with the tractor parked parallel to the bank. Also I would like your impression of the digging capabilities of the hoe. My land is all hard clay and sand but luckily no rocks that I have ever seen. Do you think the hoe could handle the 2 foot bucket in these conditions? I think that the standard bucket on this hoe is 12 inches wide. Also, if you dont mind me asking, what kind of deal did you get on your machine? Any help is greatly appreciated.






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 04-27-2000, 14:30 Post: 15141
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Mike, I also have a standing order on the 60" belly mower, but I don't need it until next year so I'm not taking of delivery of it until then. Talk about identical configurations! The spec on the 48 backhoe reach is 11'1" from pivot point, total stabilizer spread when down is about 99" if level, and tractor width with turfs in narrow setting is 61". So, assuming your bank is firm enough for the stabilizer, then you would have about 7' of reach past the stabilizers at 90 degrees.






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 04-27-2000, 14:55 Post: 15142
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Thanks for the info. I see you got the turf tires on yours. Do the turf tires squat with all the weight on them? I was planning on getting the R4s in order to handle the weight of the loader and hoe. I expect I will have to be carefull about turning when mowing the lawn howerver. Has anyone out there mowed with a JD4400 with the new front axle and R4s? Thanks MJB






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 04-27-2000, 15:32 Post: 15143
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Mike, I also have a standing order on the 60" belly mower, but I won't take delivery on it until next year when I need it. The total stabilizer spread on the 48 backhoe is about 8'3" on the level. So assuming your bank is firm enough for the stabilizer, you would have about 7' of reach past the stabilizer when the boom is at 90 degrees. But be forewarned: at that degree of boom rotation the bucket can physically contact the stabilizer if you are not careful! I can't comment on backhoe performance yet, but I went with the 18" bucket and my land is moderate to heavy clay with many embedded glacial rocks. This is tough digging! When our house foundation was dug in this stuff a basketball-sized rock would lift the tail of the full-sized Caterpillar 315 excavator being used.
The 12" bucket was just too small for me. If you are just clearing sediment out of the ditch you probably would want the 24" or maybe even the 36" bucket! Optimal would be both the 18" and the 36" buckets (sound like a salesman, don't I?). I'll let you know more about performance after I get to play with the backhoe more. As far as price: I bought a 4400 HST 4WD with mid-PTO, DSCV, FROPS, power beyond hydraulic outlet for backhoe, 3rd SCV for aux hydraulics for mower mid-mount lift cylinder, turf tires, engine block heater, rear work lights, 430 loader, grill guard, 3-pt hitch ballast box, bucket level indicator, 61" heavy duty bucket with 3 welded chain hooks added, removable tooth bar with replaceable teeth, 48 backhoe with 18' bucket. Without the aftermarket toothbar, I got prices (without tax) that ranged from about $26,000 to over $29,000. Toothbar runs about $400 additional. Remember, lowest price is not always the best, make sure the dealer is good.






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 04-27-2000, 15:48 Post: 15144
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Sorry, Mike, I couldn't see my first response so I assumed it failed. Turf vs R4 was my toughest decision; I still don't know if I made the best one for my needs. My only real concern is vulnerability of the turf tires (especially the fronts) when working in the woods or in any kind of stubble. Traction is not a big concern: I'll just pick up a $125 set of rear chains from tirechains.com if I find I need more traction in snow or mud. From experience I don't think that R4's are that great for traction anyhow, but they are tough. The tires are not squatting right now, but I haven't loaded up that front bucket with stone yet either. I'll probably end up wishing I had gone with the R4's.






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Jeff glad to hear you got your tractor. Would also like to hear about how the 48 hoe works. I do have one on order with 12" & 18" buckets.

MJB I have R4's on my 4400, although I do not have a finish mower. I have driven it in yards many times with out any problems since getting the new axle. If the ground is wet they will leave impressions, but these go away after it rains. I just tilled our garden last night and made u turns to lock in the grass with out any scuffing at all.

I think the tilling convinced my wife the value of the tractor. Every year I would spend 4 to 5 hours with our 8hp Troy Bilt tiller working the clay dirt in the garden. It took 45 minutes with the tractor & 56" King Kutter II tiller and it worked up the best ever. Chris






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 04-28-2000, 22:46 Post: 15198
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Congradulations:

I am Finalizing the purchase of a 4400 with a 430 loader on monday. I was wondering if you might have any last minute suggestions?

I will be working a rather large hill on the water and am concerned about the stability of this tractor due to its narrow stance.

For those interested the lowest quote with HST 430 loader and turf tires was $ 19350.00 I think i will add weights or soloution to the tires and change them to the industrial type though.

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 04-28-2000, 23:52 Post: 15199
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George--the heavy duty bucket for the 430 loader is worth the extra hundred dollars. Regarding your concern about the narrow stance--the turf tires can be reversed to give a wider stance whereas the R-4's can be reversed but will not appreciably increase the stance. This is not a recommendation for either tire type. I have R-4's and like them for some things (loader work), but find them very rough riding for mowing--even after deflating them to half air pressure. Good luck to you. Mike S.






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No matter whether you get liquid ballast in the rear tires, cast rear wheel weights, or both, you need at least 750 pounds of weight on the 3 point hitch to properly balance the tractor for use with the loader. This is important.






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