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 12-09-2000, 10:05 Post: 22268
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It's sure been cold lately down to -0 degrees and yesterday while in an auto parts store saw a 120V magnetic blockheater at very reasonable price. Got me thinking about using it on the HST of my 4100. Where is the best spot to put it to use? I was thinking about the lowest point opposite the drain plug but then saw a flat plate under the dipstick. I think the main resevoir is located there. Never used one before these things don't localize the heat too much right?






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 12-09-2000, 10:16 Post: 22270
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I wouldn't worry about to much heat in a area whith one for your application and I think they are excellent if your tractor sits in the cold. Most wear on all parts of engines are cold starts and as much as I've never seen any reports on hydro's I feel that what you are looking to do would help you. With the big farm tractors they are now offering transmission heaters on them, might be soon we see them for the little guys too.






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 12-10-2000, 07:58 Post: 22292
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My dealer said that using a good winter hydraulic oil was better than using heaters. He said they don't actually get much heat through the case into the oil. I use a decent multi-season oil, but I'm with Art. I also use a magnetic heater, and sometimes two. If you use them, you do have to be careful. Last winter, I unplugged one, pulled it off the tractor and inadvertently sat it down on an extension cord. The cord was pretty fried when I found it.






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 12-10-2000, 08:23 Post: 22295
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Thanks,for the replies Tom and Art. I have 5W-30W in the engine right now and the JD low viscosity HY-GARD(JDM J20D). -0 degrees again this morning. I 've been considering switching to a synthetic in the HST at 500hrs






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 12-10-2000, 10:21 Post: 22303
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If you real want to effectively warm up the tractor use a water type heater. The oil heater will heat the oil in the pan, but would have to be on for a long time to gat to the parts that move. A water heater will heat the pistons & cylinders. The problem isn't that the oil is to thick, it is that the block is too cold making it harder for the engine to turn over & fire. A water heater will make it start like it is summer.






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 12-10-2000, 11:30 Post: 22306
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DFB, in case you didn't know, JD does make a block heater and a hydraulic Oil heater for the 4100Hyd. Look in the posts under "Glow Plug Add-In" for a discussion of the heaters. Incidentally, I don't think my hydraulic Oil heater will fit where the drain plug is - looks like I'll end up installing it where the filter screen is.






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 12-10-2000, 12:36 Post: 22310
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Dave Wells, I read your post on the hyd heater. From your description you need to drain the HST fluid to install it in either location correct? You say you can use in place of the drainplug in either location. That's good. You could use 2 right? Why won't it work right for you at the bottom of the sump?






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 12-10-2000, 18:28 Post: 22319
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DFB, yes, you do have to drain the hydro fluid to install the heater. It appears that there is more than one place you can install the heater. My dealer had never installed one, so I called JD direct and was told that the Hydraulic Oil heater replaces the drain plug on the bottom of the Hyd. Oil reservoir. I think that would be the best place - it's at the very bottom of the oil reservoir, so the heater would heat the most fluid the quickest. There is a filter screen on the back, just below the rear PTO shaft. Looks like the heater could be installed there also. Looking at the Tech Manual for the 4100 Hydro, it appears that the heater could also be installed in a test port on the left side of the case, behind the Hyd. Oil Dipstick. Now, I haven't installed mine yet, bet it APPEARS that the heater element will not fit where the drain plug is - different thread sizes. When I do install mine, I'm going to check all the locations I can find, in the event I want to add another heater - which, incidentally, you can. The block heater, which heats the engine coolant, is a 120V/450Watt heater. The Hyd. Oil heater is a 120V/150Watt heater. Of course, you may not really need to install more than one, if any Hyd Oil heater - it all depends on what temps your tractor is stored at, and how quickly and how much you want to heat the Hyd. Oil. The Hyd. Oil heater isn't really required to help with starting, but it does help get things up to operating temp quicker.






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 12-10-2000, 19:21 Post: 22321
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Thanks for laying that out Dave. I didn't realize that the JD engine heater was for the coolant. Len says thats the way to go. I'm mostly concerned with the getting the HST moving. Seems locating that heater in place of the suction screen drain plug would allow the easiest access.






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 12-11-2000, 10:39 Post: 22336
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Yes, the access to the Hyd Oil heater would definitely be easier if it were installed at the suction screen. In that location the heater is kinda close to the pin for the drawbar, but I think that wouldn't cause too much of a problem.






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