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 12-14-2013, 02:12 Post: 188455
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 Foton 404 tractor 3pt does not lift

Now that Greg helped me get the electrical lined out it's on to the 3pt problem. I bought a 2006 4 cyl. 404 with a loader and it has 53 hours on it. It has mostly sat and all outside. The guy raised the box blade and loaded it on my trailer. I got home and the 3pt won't work. The loader works fine. I checked the valve under seat. The fluid level is 3/4 between lines not screwed in. It's a 2 lever model. I've tried it every which way. The parts manual shows a drain plug lower left rear which mine doesn't have. Do I pull the lower hose off to drain? Is there a filter or screen that would effect the 3pt and not the loader? Anyone have any ideas! Larry.






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 12-14-2013, 07:35 Post: 188456
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You may be using the wrong lever. There should be two rear lift control levers to the right of the operator seat. The outer lever I'm pretty sure is the draft control. The inner one is the position control (lift/lower). You only use the draft control lever in conjunction with a ground engagement implement such as a plow, box blade, ripper, etc. The draft control lever is used to set the max depth to which these implements "dig". When that level is reached, the hitch automatically raises back up to the level preset by the lever. Any other time, the draft lever is to remain in the OFF position. Only problem is, I don't remember on that tractor whether OFF is full up or full down. You'll have to try both ways. Any other position than OFF will disrupt normal operation of the position control.

Alternatively, the guy that loaded your tractor may have locked the implement up in the air with the flow control valve (don't ask me why). Like most compact tractors, that valve should be the knob in front of and just below the operator seat. If that gets closed when an implement is off the ground, no fluid can get back into the sump. Hence, the position control lever "appears" not to work.

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 12-15-2013, 14:50 Post: 188469
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Greg, I tried the levers like you said and the valve under the seat. It still won't work. The loader works fine so the pump has to be ok. The guy raised it to load it and all I did was haul it home and it hasn't worked since. If I need to replace o rings will I have to remove the seat section? Do I need to remove the whole unit or just take the top cover off to do it? Looks like the seat section has to come off either which way. Larry






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 12-16-2013, 10:31 Post: 188475
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 Foton 404 tractor 3pt does not lift

I know nothing about a Foton tractor, but a thought occurred. Could there perhaps be some sort of a mechanical safety transport latch holding the blade up like on a backhoe boom that has to be released manually before the 3 pt. will come down?

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Greg, I tried the levers like you said and the valve under the seat. It still won't work. The loader works fine so the pump has to be ok. The guy raised it to load it and all I did was haul it home and it hasn't worked since. If I need to replace o rings will I have to remove the seat section? Do I need to remove the whole unit or just take the top cover off to do it? Looks like the seat section has to come off either which way. Larry

First off, I'm still not sure if it's permanently stuck in the up position - or if you let it down when you got home, and it won't raise up again. Let's start there.

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It's down and won't raise. Larry.






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 Foton 404 tractor 3pt does not lift

Got it. Owner must have used a lever or another tractor to raise the box for show. Turned the knob under the seat to lock it there. Once you let it down, all the fluid rushed back into the sump.

Odds are it's lift cylinder ring/seals. Not an expensive job, nor is it difficult. But it can be messy. I've never done a lift cylinder on a Foton, but the procedure is reasonably similar among Chinese tractors. Technically you should be able to do it with the seat in place, but it's your decision once you see how much working clearance you've got. Drain the sump first. The cylinder should then be accessible by removing the rear (and possibly front) sump plate(s). At that point it should become clear how to get the piston out of the cylinder. Strip off the old ring(s) and seal(s), install new, clean out any residuals that might contaminate the fresh fluid, reassemble.

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 Foton 404 tractor 3pt does not lift

Thanks Geg, I ordered a rebuild kit from Thomas at Affordable Tractor ($35). While I was at it I ordered all new filters for air,oil, and hydraulics. I figured as long as it sat would probably be for the best. It looks like the seat section will have be removed as there's no clearance. All the kids coming in for xmas this weekend, between getting things ready, the event, and aftermath it will probably be a week or so before I can start on it. I may have more questions after that. Thank you and have a good holiday. Larry.






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Well I got the rebuild kit. First go around I just replaced the main cylinder O ring and wiper, put it back together and got nothing. Second time I removed the carb plate and main block and took apart what I could get and cleaned and sprayed down with WD and blew it all out, and still nothing. The parts book is different than what I actually have. There's a oneway valve the book shows seat, slide, spring and mine is seat, spring, slide. The springs too short to work the way the book shows. I used air to move the piston out to where I could get the O ring on so I know the piston moves. I'm at a loss!!! Larry.






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Unfortunately Chinese tractor manufacturers are quite poor at keeping their manuals current with changes they make to the machinery. This is likely an issue you'll have to work out with the service department at a Foton dealership.

I am unclear as to what you're calling a "one-way valve" though. Where specifically is this located, and what (do you think) is its function?

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