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These tractors are normally not limited by hp, but by weight and traction, but that depends on what you want to do. If you are mowing with a brush cutter, or a finish mower, then you would indeed be able to tell the difference in hp. But the bigger difference may be in weight and traction - I am familiar with the 1500, but not the 1700.

Greg

hp of
Yanmar Tractors
Replies 7 Post by gbirky

You can't vary the width of the wheels/tires on the TC29/TC33 with R4/Industrial tires. The only setting is about 60" outside to outside of the back tires. I had the same concerns as you about a 60" mower deck not covering the tractor's tracks. I've used a 60" KK rear finish mower for 2 years now and can't see any disadvantage. But then, my yard isn't exactly like a golf green. More like a hillside pasture, really.
Tire choice is always controversial. I've heard that turfs can be very slick on wet grass. R4's are a compromise that I can live with. Sometimes I wish for ag tires, but they wouldn't be practical for finish mowing.
Bill

TC29D 33D
New Holland Tractors
Replies 6 Post by BillMullens

I have a 7ft Howse "medium-heavy duty" brush hog and its been disapointing, to say the least. The "stump jumper" on the mower has a small diamter, and they use long blades to make up the cutting area. These blades seem to be very soft, compared to the blades on my 6ft Brush Hog. Several times I've hit small objects, bent the blades and had them cut into the deck.

I would look into another brand, although with a smaller tractor like a Kyoti, you may not be putting as much hp through it.

Howse mower and box scraper
Mowers Field and Finish
Replies 6 Post by BARRY

Take a look at a Landpride RCR 2560 or 2560. Good, heavy, well built cutters that are every bit as good as JD. I am looking into a 25/2660 or a25/2672 for my 4410. $1200 to $1300ish price range. A lot of JD dealers sell them.<br>
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http://www.landpride.com/lp/products/rcr25_specs.html<br>
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Randy

brush cutters
John Deere Tractors
Replies 10 Post by Chief

TH - I was really impressed with the larger "Bearcat" PTO models a few years ago. I checked out their web site and they've added models in the size range you're thinking about. They have a dealer locator on their site, so maybe you can come up with someone near you who has one to look at. Don't know about price ... but the Goosen dealer might be willing to deal a little if he knows there's some competition. Good luck.

Chippers again
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Replies 16 Post by Bernie Galgoci

I'm a little worried about the hills as well. Worst case it is a 25% grade. I know I don't want to get sideways there, but would going straight up and down be a problem?

The hill we are terracing is immediately adjacent to our house (which is built on the hill) and has about a 9' rise over a 40' run. We would build two terraces on this hill. From the top of the hill we would come out 15', build a 4' wall, come out another 15', and build one more 4' wall. Working from the bottom of the hill, if we build the top wall first and work our way down we won't have to actually work with the tractor on a terrace.

Would it be better to rent a skid steer for this job?

Is it common to rent lease implements
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Replies 17 Post by kwschumm

Tug of war. I said the BX22 will beat the 4100 in a tug of war. And it will win hands down, especially if the 4100 is wearing the crappy R1's Deere put on at the factory.

You have had them parked side by side?
Me too, right now, out in the driveway. I own one of each and have for several months.

All of my Cat1 three point implements, purchased for the 4100, fit and function just fine on the BX. These include a Gearmore 48 inch box scraper, a Gearmore 60 inch rear blade, a Gearmore post hole digger and several assorted carryall forks, boom poles, drawbars and the like.

In fact, it is not uncommon for me to work a half day on one tractor and swap to the other after lunch to see how they compare with the same implement.

In fact, my experience with the BX is just the opposite of the prevailing myth. I had to cut two inches off of the factory center link to get it to fit and function with standard Cat1 implements because it was TOO LONG.

OK. The defining parameter that somehow makes the BX a "sub-compact" is NOT the size the three point hitch.

Must be the hydraulics..... nope, I lifted a 1500 pound load with the three point and a set of forks.

Well it's the weight. It is too light.... except the list of tractors it outweighs or equals is as long as your arm and include the JD 4100, a flock of TC's and Kubota's own 7400, 7500 and 2410.

How about the wheelbase? Yeah, that's it. That stubby little 55 inch wheel base makes it a sub-compact.
Ok maybe... but that is the exact same wheelbase as the Kioti 1914 and the TC 18 and 21. Those guys get upset if you call their tractors a sub-compact.

The engine? Nope. 22 horses. Loader capacity? Same size bucket as the 7400/7500 and it will lift it heaped with wet soil.

That leaves the tires. But you can't base it on small tires because if I put bigger tires on the BX or smaller tires on the 4100, do they swap titles?

What I am trying to say is this: if it meets all the criteria then it is what it is: a compact tractor. Granted, it is on the small end of the window, but it fits in the window.

Are there sub-compacts out there? Yes. I think any tractor (of any size) with a Cat0 hitch would probably fall into that range.
The new BX 1500 with a wheel base of 54 inches or less and 15 horse engine might be a candidate.
And there is a whole line of Deere heavy duty 4wd lawn tractors with scaled down loaders and hitches that fit nicely into the "sub" category because they can't compete with a compact utility and are not designed to do so.

We had a similar discussion a while back on pick-up trucks and it came down to this: If it has an 8 foot bed in which a sheet of plywood will lay flat, if it sits three across on the bench seat and comes with a V-8 engine, then it is a full size pick-up no matter what else you can say about it or what name badge is stuck to the sheet metal.

I think we can establish a similar criteria for compact tractors.

What the heck is a Compact Utility Tractor anyway
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Replies 25 Post by DRankin

Yes I saw the 2210 at a dealer in Northern california.
The Bar turfs are not true ag tires and do not act like them. They are much closer in design and function to an R4.

TIRE CHOICE 2210
John Deere Tractors
Replies 6 Post by DRankin

Provenost does build one that attaches to the loader arms that is hydraulic drive. They offer pto pumps to run it. It comes with a pump and tank of 25 gallons and in widths of 64 and 74". You might want to look at that one.

Pull Type 3PH Snow Blowers
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Replies 9 Post by Art White

I used to have a 78 Kubota B6000 with just 12.5 gross HP and it had a kubota (woods) 40" tiller - worked great. Certainly no shortage of power, even in hard clay. Twice I broke a shear pin on the tiller, and made sure to run a very light shear pin to protect the PTO and tranny. I would think your JD should spin a 48" just fine.

King Kutter 48 quot tiller
Operating and Attachments
Replies 7 Post by Smahler

Jack: Done. Thanks. Leon

650 750 B X S
John Deere Tractors
Replies 6 Post by leon

Kubota says five weights that weigh 55lbs per.

Kubota L2600 Front Weights
Kubota Tractors
Replies 3 Post by Art White

The mower connection is a good point when looking at loaders. The other thing that gets me some times with them is if the manufactuer of a tractor offers a loader with only so much lift don't look to exceed that by going to the aftermarket loader. The manufactuer knows what the load limits are on his front axle. Some of the tractor lines are buying there loaders from loader manufacturers like Great Bend who has built loaders for nearly every company under there advisement for them. Doesn't mean it is the same as Great Bend will sell you thru there dealers.

factory vs other brand FEL
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 6 Post by Art White

That model Kubota goes back to 76' for the beginning of it's production. The little wifs of the blue smoke is not much to get alarmed about how many hours might it have. The hitch, that's different and I didn't really understand which part are you were refering to. We have had to weld on many hitches for assorted reasons it is best to make it as close to original as possible so not to hinder future changes in work.

Kubota B7100 4x4 6sp Questions
Kubota Tractors
Replies 10 Post by Art White

Yes that does sound better than what you have to do now. I'd still check the tractor's alternator rating. Many tractors have 10A accessory outlets ready to go if 10A is adequate. For heavier circuits, it's not too difficult to run a line directly from the battery through in in-line located close to the battery.

I ran a circuit from the battery for my two 55W work lights and a magnetic flasher. I cut the cigaret lighter adapter off the flasher and put AC twist-lock plug and installed a receptacle for it in the aux lighting circuit. That way I don't have to operator the tractor around cords dangling from the cigarette lighter and don't have to worry about knocking the plug loose. I don't suppose it's entirely safe but I got carried away and cut the clips off a battery trickle charger and put on a twist lock plug so I can charge the battery through the lighting circuit by just plugging it in. I think that all my junky box store cigarette lighter gadgets may be at risk, but the cost of twist locks will slow me down as soon as I run out the old plugs left over from my sound and lighting buz days.

I'm just taking a guess that what are described as a carry-all might be pretty good for mounting a small spreader on the 3ph.

B7200 Sand Spreader WTB
Kubota Tractors
Replies 5 Post by TomG

Terry,
I'm far from an expert, but I did build a model 708. I documented the project at the link below.
I bought a Lincoln 225 AC just for this project, and it was well worth it. Cadplans recommends a stick welder and 7018 rods.
The 708 performs well, but I would welcome the increased reach and strength of the 808; the bigger one would just be too big for my TC29. I don't have a front end loader (yet) and the hoe makes the front end very light, even with 350 pounds of front ballast.
And, I guess that this topic will never come up without the dangers of 3-point hitch backhoes being mentioned. The CadPlans hoes don't have a hold-down as part of the plans. In other words, since the 3ph has no down pressure, the only downward force you have is the weight of the backhoe with you on it. More than that, and it just lifts you and the hoe up. This is potentially dangerous. Also, 3ph hoes are controversial regarding damage they may inflict on compact tractors. This is a good forum to learn more.
Hope it helps,
Bill

808 CadDigger
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 7 Post by BillMullens

I use brake steering quite a bit for compacting gravel and chopping down snow pack.<br>
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For compacting gravel, I put the loader bucket angled slightly down, raise the front wheels mostly off the ground and then back-drag the gravel. With the front wheels up, there's virtually no steering except for the brakes. I also compact by rolling a box scraper back on its rear cutter and driving forward, but the weight of the tractor on the loader bucket gives a bit more compacting. Compacting is my final step in drive maintenance. The final road way ends up much smoother because light-trucks don't rut and pot hole the new gravel before it gets compacted by the usual traffic.<br>
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Chopping down excessive snow pack on drives is a similar idea except going forward. I have to ride the bucket control to keep the blade from digging in and jack-knifing the loader. Gee, riding the bucket control and brake steering at the same time. Good thing I play a bit of drum set. Once it's chopped, I can pick it up with the loader by rolling the bucket back a bit and putting it in float.<br>
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If it's heavy ice, I cut it up first with box scraper scarifiers. The idea is similar to compacting gravel but the scarifiers are extended a notch or so. The rear cutter holds the box on the ice surface, and the scarifiers will cut about an inch so there's little chance of the scarifiers going through the ice and tearing up the drive. I know I've gotten off brake steering ideas so I'll stop. <br>
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Brake steering
Snowblowers / Snow Plows
Replies 4 Post by TomG

Reishorse, I have an identical outfit except for the mid mount mower, mine has about 300 hrs. on it. It's been a real good machine. I really don't keep up on used prices well enough to give you an estimate of it's worth, but I do think they hold their value quite well. I can't think of any reason why having the mid mount mower on while using the hoe would damage the tractor. I would be more concerned about damaging the mower deck while backfilling etc. by jaming mud, rocks, etc. up under the deck

JD 4300 used price
John Deere Tractors
Replies 6 Post by hardwood

I'm looking for the same thing and for the same reason. If you happen to find more than one loader, please let me know. Thanks.

wanted 855 loader
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 2 Post by cdlewis

Plotz, Jim is right. My handy dandy Gummint Guide to Green Tractors sez the 790 is rated for the 413 and the 513 rotary cutters. It has a "N" next to the 613.

brush cutter
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Replies 10 Post by DRankin