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tz25da has a right side lean

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wny770
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2006-05-29          130008


I just had my new tz25da delivered the other day and love it. Plenty of power and cuts grass like a bear. However, I noticed the tractor/loader leans to the right. All the tires are inflated the same, but when you measure the link pins, frame etc... it definately has a right side "lean" anyone else notice this???

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2006-05-29          130009


Yes, my CASE DX25E (identical to the NH) does as well! I wonder if the hydraulics and control unit for the FEL, which are on the right side of the tractor, contribute to the lean? My lean is very slight and only noticable when its on a flat concrete surface (the garage). Otherwise I am extrememly satisfied with this tractor, so versatile and loads of torque. ....

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2006-05-31          130154


I've just gotted the same tractor . . . with exactly the same problem. Loader is about 1 and a quarter inches off, left to right side. ....

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bloggins
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2006-05-31          130155


Well, I guess the bad news is, that its a design flaw.
The good news is that it doesn't hinder performance and now I won't be scratching my head in vain trying to resolve the problem.
These tractors are Shibaura tractors from Japan, yet the FEL is made in Canada (i.e not a Shibaura unit), and I notice that Shibaura uses a different FEL from the CASE/NH unit. Hmmm...compatibilty issue, I'd say. ....

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earthwrks
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2006-05-31          130158


I have a NH LS185.b skid steer that doesn't lean to one side but it wasn't made square so much so that the loader left rear arm contacts the engine hood, yet there's about an 1-1/2" at the other side. And we're talking a $45,000 machine. You'd think after making this machine as different models for the past 18 years they would have it down-pat by now. I notcied this problem when I got it last year, and the dealer said he would record it. Well now it causing hydraulic lines to rub on the cab which have to be replaced twice. ....

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2006-05-31          130161


Earth they make special eccentric pins that go in the top corner of the cab to correct that problem.

As for the TZ tractors measure the diameter and circumference of the rear wheels and tires. I bet they are not the same. As for being a Shibaura tractor, WRONG. Only the engine is. The rest is NH design and built. Search the archives I have gone over many times before on how to correct the lean in the tractor. Most dealers are too lazy to do it until you bitch a couple times. ....

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2006-05-31          130164


Oneace,
See compact tractor pulldown on the Shibaura Europe web site, with the exception of the front end treatment that's a CASE/NH. www.shibaura.com ....

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earthwrks
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2006-05-31          130166


Tony, a dealer down here told me about the pins but he said they were for correcting how the loader arms come to rest on the front down pads by the wheels. Are you saying these pins will correct my out-of-square condition but not affect how it comes to a rest---because that part is okay for now.
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2006-05-31          130167


I have looked through the board and couldn't find info on how to "get the lean out". What do I look under? I love the tractor! I'm trying to find work for it as an excuse to drive it! Thanks.... ....

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2006-05-31          130169


Yes it is a NH or CaseIH re badged.

The Pins are not for how the arms come to rest at the bottom. The hyd pressure will take care of that in or out of square. What they do is move the beam the runs from the top of the cab to the back of the loader frame toward the front or the rear of the machine in turn moving the boom either left or right. You will only get about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch at the very rear of the boom but most times that is all you need. ....

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2006-05-31          130171


Here is one link for the loader. About six posts down. The other is to make sure your rear tires are the same size. Make sure they first have the same air pressure and for get what the side wall says. Get out the tape measure and a piece of string. Check the diameter with a level strait edge on the top of the tread then check from the ground to the bottom of the LEVEL edge and circumference with the string. The tires they put on those machines are extremely cheap and hardly ever have the same measurements. ....


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2006-06-01          130174


The tractor is Japanese! See the link below, they even have pictures of the assembly line. Yanmar makes some JD's. GM Trackers are Suzuki Sidekick's. 90% of Chryslers are made in Ontario. Camaros & Firebirds were made in Montreal. Believe it or not.
www.css-club.net/shibaura/english/ ....


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2006-06-01          130201


I am not saying they are not Japanese. I do not care where the Assembly line is. When I worked fro the NH dealer and went to the training for the The TZ I talked to the engineering team that designed the tractor. They were not paid by Shibaura but rather by CNH. think about it. Have you ever seen any thing as low quality and with as many flaws as the TZ come out of a Japanese R&D facility. ....

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2006-06-01          130210


The Japanese have both good and bad. I normally have found that people proud enough to put their name on it says a lot for the quality level. In the US it seems to have more to do with the profit on the stock market or who has the largest advertizing budget. ....

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2006-06-01          130211


I had a neighbour who *thought* he had the same problem with his new BX.

I chuckled when he called me up right after it was delivered to ask me if any of my machines came that way!!

He even brought it over to my place to show me. We put it in my shop, rolled the door down, put a level on the door's crossbars to prove them level, stepped back and sighted down the tractor to see, just as he had done in his shop. Sure enough one side lined up to different point on the door than the other did!!

It was then I told him it was an easy fix. He had already tried everything, air pressure, etc., to no avail.

I opened the door, backed it out, turned around, backed it back in and shut the door. VOILA!!

Now the other side was lower!!

No shop floor or garage floor is level, but the door is!!! DOHHHH!!! Drainage, who'da thought!!

ROFLMAO!!!

Best of luck. ....

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2006-06-13          130809


Contact your NH dealer. They now are making a shim kit designed to correct this problem. There are two shims in the kit. They are inserted behind the subframe posts for the FEL. Depending on the lean, the shims are added to the top bolt holes on the right side, and the bottom bolt holes on the left side. This will adjust the right lean problem. Obviously, reversing the shim orientation is necessary if the loader leans to the left. ....

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