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The BX deck is suspended from the tractor and the wheels are not to run on the ground but to be roughly 1/2 inch off the ground.

need opinions on bx cutting decks
Kubota Tractors
Replies 11 Post by Art White

ROPS , seatbelts and lots of other stuff are in place because of stupid people doing stupid things. I just watched America's Funniest Videos with the kids and if I did 1/2 the stuff these dopes did the last thing I would do is have it on ABC primetime sunday night.<br>
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It's a shame people get killed but the old saying is true, "Guns aren't dangerous, stupid people with guns are dangerous"

Laws mandating Roll Bars on old tractors
Kubota Tractors
Replies 6 Post by cthonestguy

Ok guys here is the response from my contact at Google:<br>
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"Thank you for your patience while we investigated this issue. Please rest assured that Google is not attempting to attack any of your customers computers in any way. In fact, Google has strong principles that advocate against any type of software that behaves like this; for more information, please visit: http://www.google.com/corporate/software_principles.html<br>
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You may also wish to refer to Symantec's help site at:<br>
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http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/nis_ids/sigs/http_activeperl_overflow.html<br>
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in order to determine if this alert is a false positive.<br>
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Please also understand that specifically, Norton Personal Firewall 2004 and Norton Internet Security 2004 both contain an 'ad blocker' feature. This feature is enabled by default, and will need to be disabled in order to properly view Google ads. If your users have this feature enabled within their security products, they may be having difficulty viewing the Google ads on your pages. Please contact Norton directly for further information or assistance regarding this feature.<br>
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Please feel free to reply to this email if you have additional questions<br>
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I hate to say it, but as my own computer was completely wiped trying to be the nice guy analyzing this, I think I can say this is one of those RTFMA cases no disrespect intended. As so often happens when overdoing anything, it can lead to less than optimum results.<br>
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In regards to Norton, I use their anitivirus and I have no problems with it. This internet security package crashed my machine causing me to have to reinstall the operating system and all my SW so I am not so happy with it, your experience may be different. At least I was smart enough to recognize that this could be dangerous, and used my older machine to install. Wow was I lucky!!!!!!!!<br>
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Best Regards to all,<br>
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Dennis<br>
TractorPoint.com Operator<br>
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ATTACKED IP from Google on TP
Website Operations Howto
Replies 26 Post by DennisCTB

$7500.00 seems like a bit much, $4000.00 to $5500 seem like a much more reasonable price, at least out here on the west coast.

Massey Ferguson 235
Massey Ferguson Tractors
Replies 4 Post by jstorey13

In this story there is a guy who said he developed a engine cut off switch. Whether or not it is a good idea to have no power when in trouble may be debateable but it is a good read anyway.

Tractor troubles
Families lobby for rollover protection
FOREST TOWNSHIP
THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITION
Sunday, March 20, 2005
By Robert Snell

Recent area rollover tractor deaths include:
Feb. 13, 2005: Richard Serrels, 32, of Forest Township died after the 1951 Ford tractor he was operating flipped while hauling a tree from the woods behind his house.

April 21, 2002: Daniel Shepp, 31, of Flushing was killed and his 2-year-old son injured when their tractor flipped backward as the father tried to pull out a large bush in Clayton Township.

Oct. 10, 1998: Charles Eldred, 48, of Linden died when a log he was pulling became entangled, causing the 1950 Ford tractor he was driving to flip on top of him.

How tractor fatalities happen

Tractors can roll sideways when riding along ditches or flip backward when trying to pull heavy loads or if they are stuck on something. Newer tractors have roll bars, seat belts and cabs that cradle drivers during rollovers.

Where to get help
The National Farm Medicine Center has an Internet guide that lets farmers see if rollover systems are available for various tractors. Visit www2.marshfieldclinic.
All tractors sold today are required to have safety equipment installed.

Safety tips

To reduce rollover risks:
Avoid sharp turns and reduce speed when turning.

Avoid driving on steep embankments, near ditches and holes.

Hitch loads to a drawbar. Many rollovers happen when loads are hitched to axles.

FOREST TWP. - Relatives stashed the old red tractor deep in the woods, deep enough so that Gretchen Serrels couldn't see it.

Serrels wanted it destroyed - retribution, really, against a machine that killed her husband, Richard, 32, in a Feb. 13 rollover accident.

Spurred by Richard Serrels' death, three families linked by the tragic bond of surviving loved ones who were killed in tractor rollovers are uniting to raise safety standards and awareness of old tractors and rollover accidents.

All three men died while riding old tractors that flipped over on them. The tractors are common because they are durable and inexpensive - costing about $1,400, compared to new tractors that can run $15,000 and up.

But old tractors that lack seat belts and rollbars are taking a toll on farmers who are dying in preventable rollover accidents, experts say.

Reports indicate tractor accidents kill more than 300 farmers annually, more than half due to rollovers,. More than 34 people have died in Michigan from tractor accidents since 2001.

But only about a third of the tractors in the U.S. have rollover protection, according to a 2002 Iowa State University study.

"If nothing is done, you'll be writing about someone else (dying)," said Steve Dawes of Flushing, whose brother-in-law, Daniel Shepp, was killed in 2002.

The solution is a rollbar system that comes standard on tractors built since the mid-1970s. Many older tractors can be retrofitted with seat belts and rollbars, but doing so can cost up to $1,000 - in some cases, an option more expensive than the tractor itself.

State Rep. John Gleason, D-Flushing, spurred by a promise to the late father of one victim, is drafting legislation that would mandate rollbars for every tractor made before the 1970s. The bill could be introduced next month.

"It's incredibly frustrating," said Marc Schenker, chairman of the Public Health Sciences Department at the University of California-Davis. "Unlike so many other things where we don't have a solution, here we have one."

Dying words

Daniel Shepp was conscious after the tractor flipped and pinned him to the ground.

"Get my boy," he told the first people to reach him.

His 2-year-old son, Austin, had been riding in his lap after Shepp hitched a chain tied to the back of an old tractor to a lilac bush at his in-laws' property in Clayton Township.

As the tractor pulled, the bush didn't budge and lifted the tractor's nose in the air.

It was already too late.

Relatives believe Shepp, 31, a pipefitter from Flushing, had time to hurl his son free from the tractor, saving the boy's life.

Shepp's relatives want to return the favor by alerting farmers and rural residents who use old tractors as all-purpose vehicles.

"If we can save one family from going through losing their high school sweetheart, someone whose two boys will grow up without a father," said Dawes, 45.

Through the grief and heartache of Shepp's death, his relatives refused to sit idly by while people continued to die.

"Tell people how dangerous they are," said Shepp's widow, Larissa, 32. "People need to be educated."

Shepp's sister, Sue Dawes of Flushing, has been removed from stores that sell old tractors after asking salespeople if they told potential buyers about the safety risks. She often knocks, uninvited, on doors leading from driveways where farmers peddle antique tractors.

Dawes, 46, wants to give people the information her brother never had about the vehicle's dangers.

"He didn't know," she said. "That's what he was guilty of."

Before Shepp's father, Robert, died in May, a day after he was diagnosed with lung cancer, Gleason promised that he would push for a law mandating rollbars on old tractors.

"They just roll over too easy," Gleason said. "The most important thing is to make sure if they roll over, that the driver is protected."

He acknowledged the law might be tough to enforce, but it would be similar to helmet and seat belt laws.

"I'm going to push this as absolutely hard as I can," Gleason said.

One tractor safety expert said Gleason's campaign is a welcome but misguided attempt to make tractors safer. Instead, he said, victims' families should push for greater public awareness.

"The problem is not necessarily the equipment," said Howard Doss, a retired Michigan State University farm-safety specialist. "The problem has to do with the casual buyer-operator."

Many risks, one solution

There are many ways to die on a tractor.

Holes and stumps can hobble tractors traveling at higher speeds. Sudden turns and steep inclines kill, and sideways rollovers are common when riding along ditches. Hitching loads to the rear of a tractor can pull it backwards, crushing farmers underneath.

A combination of lax safety rules and a farm culture in which risk is accepted as much as rain and sun is leading to more deaths, safety experts said.

"There is a tradition of assuming risk," Schenker said. "This is a hazard, and it's the way my father and grandfather did it."

Rollover risks have been minimized on most new tractors that feature so-called rollover protective structures. The safety equipment includes two- and four-post frames, seat belts and cabs that cradle drivers during rollovers.

In 1976, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration required all new tractors be equipped with rollover devices. But the requirement only covers farms with more than 11 employees.

Overseas, Sweden has nearly eliminated rollover deaths. From 1984-90, less than one farmer a year died after the government instituted regulations mandating rollover protection, according to the country's Center for Product Safety.

About 93 percent of Swedish tractors have some type of rollover protection. Schenker wants to see the United States follow suit, suggesting farmers could receive tax credits for adding rollbars to tractors.

The Michigan Farm Bureau encourages rollover protection, but it does not believe the devices should become mandatory, said Legislative Counsel Jim Miller.

"We feel people can evaluate their own situations," he said.

Victims' families disagree.

Two of the three men who died - Serrels and Shepp - had little experience operating the machines and were driving borrowed tractors.

Both made fatal mistakes, experts said, when they hitched loads to the back of the tractor.

Charles Eldred of Linden made the same mistake, though he had considerably more experience operating his 1950 Ford tractor. This man's death illustrates how a fluke can prove fatal.

A General Motors technician and father of three, Eldred was pulling a tree out of some woods on Oct. 10, 1998. While dragging the log across a meadow near Silver Lake and South Seymour roads in Argentine Township, it snagged on a root the size of a thumb.

The tractor flipped and pinned Eldred, 48, to the ground. The crash broke his back, and Eldred, a safety-conscious man who relatives said knew the tractor's limits, died alone in the field.

"There was no getting away from that one," said son Brad Eldred, 34, who found his father's body.

Spurred by his father's death, Brad Eldred and a Mott Community College professor invented a kill switch that shorts a tractor's ignition if the front end lifts off the ground or approaches a steep incline.

"I just didn't want to see it happen to anyone else," he said.

He hoped the inexpensive device would be added to old Ford tractors, but he was rebuffed after approaching the company, he said.

Like Shepp's family, the Eldreds were repulsed when they learned of the Forest Township fatality. If nothing more, they want to reach at least one family and prevent future deaths.

"We see it again and again and again," said Diane Eldred. "We have a problem. If we can just get the word out and some of these people just listen ..."

Coming homeAs with the other families, Richard Serrels' death provided a grim introduction to the dangers of tractors.

"I had no clue that was even a possibility," wife Gretchen Serrels said. "I don't think he even had a clue there were dangers like that."

Police found the General Motors senior product engineer pinned to the ground on private property along N. Henderson Road, south of Willard Road.

The 1951 Ford tractor flipped backward while Serrels, 32, was hauling a tree from the woods behind his house. Serrels had hitched a rope around the tree to the back of the tractor.

The tractor flipped, and the steering wheel pinned him to the ground, suffocating him, police said.

The tractor is no longer hidden in the woods behind the Serrels home. It was returned to the relatives who loaned it to her husband, although Gretchen had other plans for it.

"I wanted to pay for it and have it destroyed," she said. "I didn't want anybody to have it."

Roll over advice
Parts and Repair
Replies 8 Post by brokenarrow

BROKEN,,(more now than ever LOL) clean up what? I wish you all the best luck,,it was such a strong company,,it seems a shame FIAT is doing that to us in the USA!

CNH goes Back to work
New Holland Tractors
Replies 4 Post by jamese

Reason number 7,436 that liberalism is a mental disease, not a political point of view.

RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONES SELF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT, BUTT OUT!

Tractor Roll Over Safety
Parts and Repair
Replies 52 Post by AV8R

top and tilt cost me just over 600.00 and does not effect the loader on my blue tractor

top and tilt have to unhook to use loader
John Deere Tractors
Replies 20 Post by skyraiderad5

I have heard of the epoxy based floor paints, but never as "aircraft hangar" floor paint. Most hangars I have been in have bare concrete, with oil stains for decoration.

Okay, one is carpeted (really) but that's just a little silly.

Advice on building a shop
Barns Pole Barns
Replies 24 Post by AV8R

Tire manufacturers recommend weights instead of fluid filling mostly because the fluid changes the way the tire interacts with the ground.

Also, depending on what you use to fill the tire, it can ruin the wheel over time due to corrosion. After messing with some older tractors with filled tires, I said never, ever when it is my choice.

Weights are more expensive but better overall.

Good luck,
Bill

New to blue Tire choice
New Holland Tractors
Replies 19 Post by BillMullens

Art, these are what I mean for "B" series.

BX vs TZ question
Operating and Attachments
Replies 8 Post by AV8R

It looks to me like the dealer is playing the numbers game with you. $8,000 for the L245DT TLB is HIGH. Corrspondingly, he is selling the 4410 high as well. You need to get down to real numbers and find out what your L245 is really worth or better yet, sell it outright yourself and then pay cash or work you best deal on the 4410. The price for the 4410 is outrageous for an ePower Reverser. It might be more in line if it was an eHydro model but even then I think that price is too high with the eHydro on a used machine in my opinion.

I my opinion a 1982 L245DT with FEL & hoe might be worth somewhere is the $5,500 to $6,500 range if in good condition.

The 4410 is worth around $15,500

430 FEL w/HD bucket is worth around $3,200 to $3,400

The 47 hoe around $6,800

$25,700 for the 4410 package minus the $6,500
gets you to $19,200 out the door. Don't count on getting $6,500 for trade in on the L245. I traded my L245 in on my 4410 almost 3 years ago with a buddy selling me the machine. He gave me $4,500 for my L245 equipped with an L1200 FEL and L590 RFM which was not exactly a peach either and I thought he was giving me a gift.

Just wanted to give you some ideas and figures to work with and consider. I think you can do MUCH better than the deal you are currently being offered.
cook these numbers and

John Deere 4410
John Deere Tractors
Replies 21 Post by Chief

$5750.00, not bad considering I've had it two years and only paid $3600.00 for it.

What is it worth Anyone please
Kubota Tractors
Replies 6 Post by jschauml

Salvage yard. Get some out of a newer truck and retrofit them. Not normally too hard. usually only involves swapping the lower seat frame.

Replacement seats for 97 GMC
Autos SUV Trucks
Replies 2 Post by oneace

All of the ones that I know of are over for this year. There are normally in January and February. There are a few small County style amusement and arts and crafts fairs in the early fall that dealer will bring a few pieces out but they are almost too small to mention.

Fairs
Everything and Anything
Replies 6 Post by oneace

Got my tractor started and running fine. Removed inspection cover. Pried on fuel control with screwdriver until it moved. I guess it is just worn out. Will be careful how I shut it off till I can get it rebuilt.

JD 950 Compact Won t Start
Parts and Repair
Replies 10 Post by buxton

Harvey, in between keeping mom happy I have been busy as all get out. Trying to keep up as the projects just keep getting larger! Love life as there are so many things to see and to do and I don't need to leave central NY although it is great to experience what our neighbors are up to!

BillMullen says Art White
Antique Tractors
Replies 9 Post by Art White

Tough to put a good value on such a unique piece of equipment. You do know that there is not a loader for such tractor as they were meant for narrow row crop work.

Value of Kubota M8200
Kubota Tractors
Replies 4 Post by Art White

Not trying to find more to work for but chances are your broken bracket might point to the front engine bracket where it attaches to the engine might be the problem. If one piece breaks it's from a problem that will break more. Does your tractor use oil? If not and the rest of it is fine then o ahead and use it more after fixing properly.

oil leak B7100
Kubota Tractors
Replies 3 Post by Art White

That makes me feel good! Because of you! I was able to get the 72" tiller for $1265 (give or take a few bucks) and ALSO got the 10% off of that which took it down to around $1150.
I really appreciated yo informing me on that, THANK YOU!
Iowafun?
Just looked at your pics. Whats up with all the snakes in your state? That is a classic, finding a snake in the electronics!! I have heard of "bugs" but never snakes. LOL

IMMEDIATE ATTENTION KK tiller buyers
Operating and Attachments
Replies 26 Post by brokenarrow