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 | John in Omaha
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2004-05-10 85725
Finally found a buyer for my house, went to buy a B7800 with FEL at the local Kubota Dealer and none left (there were 3 or 4 back in March). Looks like next shipment may be at least several months away. I need a tractor now!! Have a new house on 2 acres in need of complete landscaping. Want to build berms, level a site for a workshop, maybe dig a small pond (15 x 20'), contour the rest for lawn etc. When all is done I will use the tractor for gardening, road maintenance and snow removal. About all I can find on the local lots are TC30 NH's. How do they compare? Should I expect problems? Will I be disapointed? Price for TC30 is about $16,500 with HST, R4 tires, 7308 FEL and a 60" box scraper. Is that a fair price? Do I need a HST? I have an old and tired 154 IH Lowboy no 3pt or FEL (bad clutch). The new CUT's are all new to me. I favored Kubota because of their reputation and resale value. I thought about a Kioti, but the dealer is not open on Saturdays and dosen't seem to sell very many as I have never seen more than 3 Kioti's on his lot at a time (and I think the same 2 have been there for months). I called 3 different times, and the salesman never seems to be in.
All feedback will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
John
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| Kim
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2004-05-10 85728
John, drive to another state or have a kubota shipped
you'll never regret the extra effort.
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 | DRankin
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2004-05-10 85734
If memory serves, the TC30, like the Deere 790, is a more dated design. A bit harder to get on and off of with a tranny hump and control levers between your legs.
If there is a Deere dealer nearby you will find that the 4115 compares quite favorably with the B7800, and a 4110 would also get the job done in fine style. Both have a wonderful reputation for reliability. ....
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 | beagle
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2004-05-11 85765
My Kubota dealer could get tractors shipped within 10 days of confirmed order. You may want to talk to your dealer again. There are ways he can get the machine you are looking for.
That sounds like a fair price for the TC30, but I agree with the previous poster, it is an older model. The TC29 Boomer series is what you may want to look at as a comparison to the B7800. It will probably come at a higher price. ....
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| John L
Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4 Omaha, NE
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2004-05-12 85914
Thanks for the advice. I called the local Kubota Dealer and he was able to locate a B7800 for me. It will have to shipped in, but could be here in a couple of days.
I was just starting to warm up to the TC30. Now I have to revaluate what I want and need.
Will both models be somewhat comparable in resale value? Are there any cold weather starting problems or is fluid leaking prone to either model? Which would be the better choice for moving dirt? ....
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| DRankin
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2004-05-13 85938
By moving dirt, are you talking with a FEL or a rear blade?
Some folks have complained that NH loaders are weaker than kubota's. Near as I can tell neither machine has position control on the 3 point.
Assuming HST's in both, I suspect there isn't a nickels worth of difference in performance.
I would encourage you to seriously test drive both... you just might find one has a geegaw that pokes you on the butt and the other fits you like a glove. ....
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| John L
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2004-05-13 86018
I was actually looking at using both FEL and a rear box blade. I have not had much experience using tractors for much of anything but mowing, but have been made aware of the limitations of a typical FEL. I was planning on checking into a tooth bar for the loader bucket, which I have been told would be a big help. The majority of my earth moving will be with already loosened soil. The extra weight of the NH would probably be a benefit for the dirt work, but sort of a hinderence when I start to use it for mowing, once all my landscaping is completed. I was more concerned that dirt work might be harder on one tractor more so than the other. I don't want to buy a tractor that is prone to developing leaks, or premature wear. (Bushings, joints, welds, etc.)
I am aware of Kubota's great reputation, but that was before I was aware of all the different models they offer. I am not even sure if the TC30 and the B7800 are even of the same class. I have not heard much of anything about New Hollands. As far as the older styling of the NH, the looks do not bother me (I think it looks Classy), but so does the Kubota. Price wise, they are both pretty close. Which do you think would hold the best resale value after 2 to 5 years? And which do you think would be the most reliable? ....
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| John L
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2004-05-13 86019
By the way, what is Position Control? I know the Kubota has a quarter inching valve, how does that compare? ....
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| DRankin
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2004-05-14 86035
With position control you get a numbered scale to move the control lever against. If you know, for instance, that your rear blade just touches earth at 6.5 on the scale, then you can repeat that setting and get the same blade position every time at the same number setting.
If you are using a 1/4 inch valve or a stop/drop system, then every time you raise the blade you will have to manually re-set/eyeball the position when you lower it to get the same setting.
If you are doing any significant grading or box blading the position control is well worth the extra money.
If you use the 3 point just to haul counter weight for the FEL or as a place to attach a bagging system, you can get by nicely with a stop/drop system.
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