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 | Pete M
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1999-08-12 6863
I've seen a bunch of posts about folks damaging their machines by using loaders as a 'Bulldozer' How much can I safely do with out worry of damage? I have a yanmar 276D (27hp 4wd) w/ turf tires. I've been pushing big piles of brush where I am clearing to expand my barn, seems to have no trouble. How about taking little bites of the earth w/ the loader to level the ground?Thanks
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| Ted
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1999-08-12 6871
I was told by the tech. people @ Kubota that as long as you don't "ram" things with the loader, the tires will spin before you can push hard enough to do any damage. Makes sense to me.............. ....
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| droz
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1999-08-12 6880
I use my Bobcat for bucket work. I was always told specifically that the one thing you aren't supposed to do is ram it in to a pile of anything. You drive it in slowly. If you can't get it in, you are trying to do too much. Can the machine handle ramming the bucket in? Sure, it is build to take abuse but this is a 5000 lb. chunk of steel and has to be built for operators that don't own it. As stated in the other post, if I use it properly the tires will spin before damage. ....
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| MichaelSnyder
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1999-08-12 6882
Common sense prevails... Ramming into anything is not only harmful & damaging to equipment, but also dangerous to yourself. I'm sure using the word "bulldozer" was only a figure of speech. But it is also important to remember that heavy industrial equipment is made/designed for the amount of abuse they see on a "daily basis". BTY. The same goes for jerking a car or truck out of mud/snow with a chain.. ....
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| Alan L.
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1999-08-12 6890
I was wondering what the "bulldozer" reference was too. If I can't use the loader on my Kubota 2710 for digging then it ain't worth much to me. The manual that comes with the loader offers all kinds of suggestions for how to dig with it - it must be designed for it. ....
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| MichaelSnyder
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1999-08-13 6896
Alan,If loaders were designed to do the work of a bulldozer, bulldozers wouldn't exist. As I mentioned earlier, Use common sense! One of a loaders abilities is "normal" digging. But if your talking about busting up bed rock or ramming trees & boulders, I would say NO. If you feel a need to use your compact like one of those big "Cats" you see at a big construction site, your unit will eventually pay the price. There is a reason those "Cats" cost as much as 1/2 a house! To put it really simplistic, If an industrial dozer is like a metal hand shovel, Our compacts are like the little plastic shovels in the kids sand box. How long do you think that shovel would last if it had a 300lbs guy taking a running start to break up the hard stuff? Maybe a bad example, but use your better judgement. Common Sense.... ....
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| Alan L.
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1999-08-13 6904
I gotcha. However, I think the capabilities of your tractor become apparent with use and experience. I know I can't push over a 12" tree with my tractor/loader (B2710), so I don't even try. I could sit there and spin the tires all day, but would only succeed in tearing up the drive train. However I have noticed that, with practice, you can do quite a bit of digging, even with tree roots involved. Sometimes I pull the front wheels off the ground trying to get a bite, and I have even bogged the engine down sometimes, but I would hope that I'm not causing any damage. ....
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| Roger L.
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1999-08-14 6937
I use my loader just as hard as it will work. The only restriction is that I never ever ram anything with it. I just pull upand use the power of the hydraulics and the traction on the tires to do whatever it can be forced to do. With diggerteeth on the bucket and chains on all four tires I will work that tractor in rocky soil and crumbly granite just as hardas it will work. It is not unusual to hear the loader frame groan and see by the twist that it is under tremendous stress. Like I say, I work it this way because that is the ground that I have. After 18 years of this, the loader frameis not bent and I have not broken a single factory weld. I have had to reweld the sides of the bucket several timesjust above where the cutting edge wraps around. The metal keeps tearing there. Probably the result of my habit ofprying out rocks by hooking them with one corner of the bucket and lifting with all hydraulics while inching the tractorforward. If there is any harsher formula for stressing a loader I don't know what it is....Well, I do! It would be runninginto things. As I said, I will not do that. And I will say that I feel much more comfortable using a loader that has a complete subframe going from the frontof the tractor all the way to the rear axle housings. These types of loaders are not only much stronger themselves, butmake it almost impossible to hurt the tractor by overloading the bucket. The only way I would purchase a "half-frame"loader (the kind that just go back and fasten to the engine or the bell-housing without extending to the rear axle)would be if it was specifically designed for that very tractor that it was mounted on. Roger Loving ....
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