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 | s chrand
Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 77 Mid-Michigan 
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2004-12-15 102279
I got my BX2230 2 months ago, and have 30 hrs on it. With winter here, I don't expect to put more than 1 hr a week on it until spring. My question is, will it be alright to wait until I actually hit 50 hrs some time in the spring, or is there a max amount of total time, not just operating time, that would require the service to be done earlier?
Thanks,
David
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 | DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada 
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2004-12-15 102285
I just finished my 4th diesel break-in this month. I have had three new tractors and an RTV since 2001.
They have all taken 6 months or more to hit the magic 50 mark. In fact the RTV went from february to december accumulating the hours.
There have been no adverse effects on any of them. ....
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 | Art White
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 6898 Waterville New York
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2004-12-15 102286
The six months would not be a problem at all but if it was to extend into 12 then I would highly recommend it! ....
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| s chrand
Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 77 Mid-Michigan
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2004-12-15 102287
Thanks guys.
I'm sure once the warmer weather returns, the hours will start piling up so it won't go past the 6 month mark.
4 new tractors in 3 years?! My wife would kill me, which would be OK since I'd also be broke! ....
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| DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada
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2004-12-15 102288
Yup. I guess she really loves me. ....
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 | bmlekki
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 185 Upstate, NY
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2004-12-15 102295
If you are not heating the oil by a good hard run, you could be accumulating moisture in the oil. I would at least change the engine oil. Then do your normal 50 service at 50hr. ....
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 | jarndt
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 351 Northern Virginia
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2004-12-16 102332
Do NOT change the oil before 50 hours. The contaminates that accumulate during the first 50 hours are essential to proper engine break-in. If moisture in the oil is a concern, the better bet would be to occasionally start the machine (maybe once a week or so) and run it for a while to steam off any moisture. But leave that oil in the crankcase for the recommended 50 hours. Trust the engineers at Kubota, they know what they are doing! ....
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 | kyvette
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 194 Central Kentucky
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2004-12-16 102334
I just had my 50hr service done on my NH. It took me about 5 months to reach 50hrs. The service tech recommended future oil changes at least once a year, preferable in the spring, if the tractor isn't used much during the winter. Dave ....
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| cthonestguy
Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 267 northeast
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2004-12-17 102456
Do you reallythink they suggest to keep the oil in there for 50 hours because the particles help break it in or that 50 is the magic number that the oil is so loaded with junk you need to dump it? I have had several machines and cars and usuallt dump the oil on my new cars at 500 miles, 1500 miles with regular oil and every 3,000 after that with mobil 1. I get 250k out of every engine so far and sell them running great. As far as my machines that were new, I usually do 10 hours, 25 hours and then 50 and every 50 after that. I have had some 3,000 machines both diesel and twin cylinder kohlers still run like the day they were new. This makes me think though. I always thought to get the metal out never thought it would help but you have me thinking. ....
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 | mscott6799
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 57 WV
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2004-12-19 102533
My Kubota dealer wants to pick my new BX23 at 25 hours and do the first service? I was wondering why since the manual says 50 hours? The rate the hour meters spin on these BX's I should have to have the first service by weekend. ....
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| kyvette
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 194 Central Kentucky
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2004-12-22 102722
Cthonestguy,
The service tech says it takes a while to remove all of the debris and 10 hours is too quick. He went on to say if the tractor is used only a little during the winter, moisture can buildup in the oil. Hence the reason for an annual oil change in the spring.
On the NH board there are several NH employees who could do a better job of answering this question and I, such as brokenarrow and oneace. I would think all manufacturers would be similar. Dave. ....
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| cthonestguy
Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 267 northeast
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2004-12-22 102734
Believe me I fully agree but I must say when I pulled the plug at the 1st early change thwere was some metal in there. I just don't like the idea of metal in my oil for 50 hours. It's probably overkill but oil's cheap and I like working on my stuff. Keeps me out in the garage! ....
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 | shortmagnum
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2004-12-22 102738
The majority of the break in wear occurs during the first few hours of any new engine. While it may not be necessary, there is no way that an early oil change can hurt your engine and just might help.
Dave ....
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| kyvette
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 194 Central Kentucky
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2004-12-23 102775
When I was younger and did all of my own service work, I changed the fluids more often that the manufacturer's recommended schedule.
Now days I don't fool with it, I take it to the dealer, whether it's the tractor, the SUV or the car, per their recommended schedule. It's not something I enjoy doing, dealing with the mess and proper disposal of the oil.
However, until now I always owned gas engines and this is my first diesel engine. I kept my previous tractor over 16 years. The engine was still in good shape, just everything else was breaking. Dave. ....
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| shortmagnum
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 848 Wisconsin
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2004-12-23 102782
"Q: What's the third most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Not changing the oil soon enough after the engine is first run !!
Change Your Oil Right Away !!
The best thing you can do for your engine is to change your oil and filter after the first 20 miles. Most of the wearing in process happens immediately, creating a lot of metal in the oil. Plus, the amount of leftover machining chips and other crud left behind in the manufacturing process is simply amazing !! You want to flush that stuff out before it gets recycled and embedded in the transmission gears, and oil pump etc...
Why do the manufacturers recommend waiting until 600 miles to
flush out all the loose metal ???
This is a good question ..."
The quote above comes from the link below. The site is for motorcycle engines but it makes for interesting reading.
I like to compare the break in fast idea to the other extreme, the slow break in. There have been a couple of times when I have bought a so called "cherry" car which was owned by an old lady and had low miles (<60K). One of which was my wifes grandmother and the other was my own mother's car. Both these engines were the worst performing, oil burning pigs I have ever owned. Both had also been maintained properly.
Dave
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Link: moto man
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| cthonestguy
Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 267 northeast
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2004-12-23 102845
This is a pretty common practice. My father has a 1970 Buick that is fully restored and we just had a friend who is a master rebuilder for a place in stratford CT who rebuilds and maintains vintage race cars. He told us point blan that all his engines hit the dyno and the ero ones especially are brough up to 10k rpm for the break in. He has yet seen one fail after this due to wear. This isn';t a great example because they are race cars and aren't out there for 100,000 miles but he told us to pound on it from day one and change the oil a few times in the first 1,000 miles and it is better to break it in faster because of the same reasons in this website.
Let's get real what new tractor owner is 1/2 throttle for 50 hours? You try to then inch it along before you know it you are at 4/5ths! Lots of old rental machines out there with 4,000 hours still running and they get pounded from day one. I guess it's preference. I don't pound on new stuff but I do change the oil a lot in the early life so I guess I'm on both sides of the fence on this one. AFTER READING THIS LINK AND TALKING TO MY BUDDY WHO IS THE REBUILDER YOU KNOW I'LL BE A LITTLE HIGHER IN THE RPMS WIT THE NEXT ONE! Why not, i'm getting older, why keep it good for the next guy if it does blow up too soon! ....
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