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 | mfrost
Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11 Apple Valley, CA 
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2006-01-14 122760
Does anyone have any experience with the top and tilt from Terrain Contour Control? www.topandtilt.com/prod01.html
Have a 750JD that I need that type of luxury added to it. Checked Gearmore and they are pretty proud of their kit at $2100 and JD of course is more than that. The TCC T&T is $1,200 and has expandable joy stick control.
Thanks in advance for the help.
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| DK35vince
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 689 Western,Pa. 
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2006-01-14 122761
I got my top and tilt cylinders and hoses from Carter and Carter Machinery.
I recommend them, the top/tilt cylinders have check valves so they don't leak off, prices were good and everything I ordered was delivered to my house within a few days.
Valves and kits also availible. ....
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 | kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon 
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2006-01-14 122763
I may well be wrong but I seem to remember that topandtilt dot com *was* a division of carter & carter machinery. ....
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| mfrost
Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11 Apple Valley, CA
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2006-01-14 122767
Some of pictures on both the sites are identical so I think you just maybe right.
Does the joy stick have advantages of the multi lever for operation? I wouild think i does but never operated one. ....
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 | greg_g
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1816 Western Kentucky 
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2006-01-14 122772
Not the same outfit, but both sell the type of equipment to put together Top-n-Tilt systems. The one to which you refer is actually Integration Engineering up in Illinois. CCM is down in Tennessee
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| kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2006-01-14 122774
Yep, that rings a bell. Thanks Greg. ....
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| b8fish
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 39 Rochester, NY area
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2006-01-14 122778
hmm--check out www.mccuan.com
You will get one users experience.
I have a TNT setup from IE, it's never been installed, and took a long tim eto get all the parts, and have never seen the promised installation guide. ....
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| sodman
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2006-01-14 122781
Looks weak to me.The best on the market is gannon.Been using it on all my grading tractors since the 70s and have never had a problem.If you have a problem parts arec readally available. ....
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| mfrost
Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11 Apple Valley, CA
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2006-01-14 122786
Well that really changed my mind about Terrain Contour Control. ....
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 | harvey
Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1550 Moravia, NY
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2006-01-15 122790
YIKES!!! Now that is an endorsement. ....
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 | beagle
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1333 Michigan
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2006-01-15 122803
We built our own system, now on a cable control joystick ( see pics ). The whole set up, before the cable joystick, was about $350. The cable remote system was another $200. The valves and remote plugs are all bracketed under the tractor so there are no hoses dangling off the machine anywhere. There are three remote plugs on our system, two cylinder control, and one motor control. We really didn't like the ROPS mounted systems, too many hoses dangling off the machine to get tangled up in the work.
For a total of $550, this system works as well as any on the market, with the added advantage of cable remote control valves. The fabrication and hydraulic circuits are simple and straight forward. All the parts are readily available, and for a weekend of fabrication work, it is worth the savings. We've been using the system for grading work for 2 years with no problems. Couldn't imagine being without it. ....
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| mfrost
Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11 Apple Valley, CA
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2006-01-15 122818
Beagle,
That is probably what I will do also. Not familiar with a cable control joystick. Looked at your picture and still could not figure it out. I would think that joy stick is where you can use it when looking back and the contol valve is located down out of the way as you said.
Was there any place special that you got your parts at? Im sure that there is many different control vavle and I have no idea of what is required. Quess I had better go talk to my local tractor dealer.
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| beagle
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1333 Michigan
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2006-01-15 122821
The parts were purchased from SurplusCenter. The cylinder ends and all the brackets were fabricated in our shop. The cable remote system is from Prince Hydraulics. Yes, the cable remote allows you to mount the joystick where it convenient and functional, and mount the valves out of the way. The valve will need to be a Power Beyond capable valve with 4-way spools, probably 9-12gpm.
If you want more specific information, let me know. ....
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| mfrost
Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11 Apple Valley, CA
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2006-01-15 122824
Beagle, Checked Prince Hydralics for the remote and didn't find it so sent them a message about it. Think I am getting to know more of the hydralic control ease. Checked out hydralics 101. What it didn't say was what a power beyond capable valve was. Will you help me out on that?
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| brokenarrow
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1288 Wisconsin
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2006-01-15 122827
I understand you are in California and a "road trip" would not be feasable or practical. I on the other hand am just acrossed his border. Hmmm Extremely lucky for him I did not end up with that deal. Have you decided on any course of action yet? I would be interested to know for I may be in his local next month. Let me know what you plan on doing because if I travel to his location maybe a face to face with his dad would help? I love meeting true asswipes face to face and watching their expressions.
Sorry to hear your misfortune ....
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 | DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada
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2006-01-16 122838
mfrost... a power beyond is not a valve per se. It is an extension of full hydraulic pressure and flow that you can break open and insert tool like a backhoe, top and tilt, log splitter, or anything that has its own selective control valve.
You NEVER want to run the tractor with the P/B uncoupled. There must always be a continuous return flow to the sump. ....
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| beagle
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1333 Michigan
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2006-01-16 122845
The control valve body must have a Power Beyond Port. Not all valve bodies are PB compatable, or have a Power beyond Port. Make sure the valve has Power Beyond, or you won't be able to have the continuous pump flow to downsteam circuits. All valves exhaust to the reservoir in open center systems. Closed center system dead head at the valve. ....
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| mfrost
Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11 Apple Valley, CA
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2006-01-18 123009
beagle, thanks for all the info. Now I can go shopping. Will let you know what I get or maybe I will have more questions. mike ....
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| beagle
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1333 Michigan
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2006-01-18 123011
Glad to help. It will get interesting if this is the first time you have tried something like this. Wait until you get as far as finding the right fittings. Then the fun really starts. ....
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| mfrost
Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11 Apple Valley, CA
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2006-01-19 123066
Beagle, Well I finally got an operators manual and it says to only use a 3 port(in, out, BYD) remote cylinder vavle and is connected to the rocker shaft ports and the transmission case. Sounds simple but as you said, getting it all bred together maybe another story. ....
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| beagle
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1333 Michigan
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2006-01-20 123073
Great, now make sure it is a 4-way, PB capable valve. You need the three flow ports; in-out-PB, but also need to make sure the spool is 4-way to control double acting cylinders. 3-way valve spools control single acting culinders. ....
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| mfrost
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2006-01-20 123142
Beagl, is the PB the same as the BYD as indicated in my manual? ....
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 | Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
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2006-01-23 123272
Both terms, PB & BYD are used to identify the "power beyond" port depending on the manufacturer.
One term, PB seems to be more prevalent in North America, while BYD is more widely used in Europe.
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| beagle
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Thanks for covering Murf. ....
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| b8fish
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 39 Rochester, NY area
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2006-01-23 123294
BTW--I have a full, never installed set-up for a 2210 from IE for sale. ....
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