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 01-23-2001, 08:13 Post: 23601
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 Tire chains for my JD 4400

Hello,I hope everyone had a good Holiday season,we finally had some snow here in West Virginia,I found out these R-4 tires are not worth anything on frozen ground and snow.I have about 180lbs in rear wheel weights on each rear wheel.I need advice and or recomendations on where and what to get for a GOOD set of tire chains.I need something aggressive,as I need to get to the woods and move some timber.We have lots of hills where I live and traction is of most importantce.I want good chains and will spend the $$$$$$$ as needed. Also any recommendations on or against front tire chains?I have a tire size of R4 15x19.5Thanks much and G0D blessHillbilly






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 01-23-2001, 08:48 Post: 23602
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I made my own out by re-sizing old truck tire chains. My dealer looked at them and told me that although they are nice, several local tire stores made better custom tractor and truck chains for about $400 to $600/set of 4. Some things I've noticed are that good chains fit the profile of the tire accurately and come up farther on the sidewall (1/2 way to the wheel rim) than car chains. For traction you don't need cross links closer than about every 6 or 8 inches, but the more cross links you have; the smoother the ride. Cross links shaped like an "X" work even better. Chain lugs which fall between the tractor tire lugs are NOT a problem. Cleated chains and special link shapes are not necessary. Due to their contour and sidewall shape, the chains have a definite inside and outside which makes them fit tightly and puts all the smooth surfaces next to the tire. The final connecting links are massive and high quality with lots of leverage when they close. They lock securely and also tighten the whole chain - they cost about $30.00 each and are well worth it. I put a twist of wire around the the final connecting links to secure them anyway.
The chains for the front are much, much lighter in weight and chain size. They can't be too light or fit too tightly. I made mine from a lightweight set of chains for a lightweight FWD imported car. They are more than adequate. All the same ideas apply.
Putting on the fronts is easy. Lift the entire front end with the loader. Putting on the rears requires a bottle jack. I leave them on all winter, and even use them in the summer if I'm working on sharp rocky ground.
Be careful with the force you put on the tractor, chains give you so much extra traction - even on slippery ground - that you no longer have tire slippage available to protect the drivetrain. In the low gears you can make the tractor groan before a tire will slip. When that happens, broken drive components are only moments away. And driving with chains on a hard surface will make your teeth chatter and vision blur..






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 01-23-2001, 14:35 Post: 23607
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 Tire chains for my JD 4400

Hillbilly, There are several posts on the subject of chains on this board. For eg; check out last November/December some of the same questions were asked and answered. It all comes down to what will work best for you in the situation that you are working in.I have found that TRYGG TRACTOR chains give me the best allround performance in snow,ice and mud.I cut alot of hard wood in hilly country using a JD 1070 MFWD and chains are a must. I have them on the rear only because I'm afraid of puting too much strain on the front end(these things really get a bite).
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 01-23-2001, 18:40 Post: 23613
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Roger,
Thank you for the detailed letter about the tire chains,I printed it off and I will use it as a guide for my tire chains,(I will keep it for reference).
Thanks again
Hillbilly






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 01-23-2001, 18:44 Post: 23616
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Dave,
Thank you as well for your information and valuable advice,people like you,Roger and Bird Senter makes me really appreciate this tractor board.
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Hillbilly






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 01-23-2001, 19:56 Post: 23627
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Hillbilly,

Just don't put any chains on the front. I think you have a 62 degree angle and won't have enough clearance. Obviously very dangerous!






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 01-23-2001, 20:38 Post: 23637
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Hillbilly, I've been running regular ladder chains on all 4 ag tires. I'm chaining up the front to help with steering, and I've not seen a post from anyone yet whose blown up their front end from running chains or studs up there. My problem is that the cross links all fall between the lugs on the tires. It is impossible to keep then on top. I've tried both the keep'em tight and the keep'em loose methods. Since the tires are pretty new, the lugs are taller than the chain, so the chain doesn't get much bite. My opinion is that they offer little to no extra traction above the ag tires. I'm plowing snow on a north slope hill that stays icy all winter. Nothing says pucker up like a tractor losing traction, (even with chains), and sliding and spinning down the hill. With R4s, you may have better luck keeping the chains up where they'll do some good. I'm looking into some better options, namely Trygg Tractor TS and Babac. Both companies make tire chains for the forestry industry. Trygg chains are made in Canada and Norway (I think). Babac chains are made in the USA. Both brands have studs welded to the chain, and both place a mesh of chain over the lugs as opposed to just cross links between the side chains. Both companies will make chains to whatever size you need, so if you decide to chain up the front (which will be a non-stock size for compact tractors) you'll be able to get what you want. You can check out Trygg chains at www.whitemountainchain.com. Its in Idaho, contact there is Eddie at 800-439-9073. For Babac chains, check out www.wallingsford.com. Look under Babac "forwarder" chains. They also carry ICC chains; there's an ICC chain that is a dead ringer for Trygg brand (its shown under Hydraulic Tractor Winch/ICC Farm.... These chains will be more expensive than regular ladder chains; neighborhood is $600 plus $100 shipping for all four wheels (11.2-24 and 7-14). Another option recommended by Murf is ice screws used for motorcycle ice racing. They look like sheet metal screws and you just screw them into the lugs. They're 7 cents per screw for the regular steel ones or 70 cents per screw for the carbide tipped ones. Hope this helps. - Jeff






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 01-24-2001, 08:45 Post: 23650
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Hello Jeff. If Hillbilly has a JD4400, I believe there is only about .8" - 2" clearance. Mounting chains on the front tires would hit the frame. This is a compact tractor here, not some large ag tractor with a foot of clearance. I have a slightly larger unit JD5205 and I can't put my finger between the tire and frame. There is absolutely no room.






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 01-24-2001, 11:46 Post: 23653
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John - I agree. Dragging chains on the frame would be a bad idea. I'm using a NH TC33D, which has a little extra clearance. Other things to watch for are the hydraulic lines for the loader, and the rear fender clearance. I noticed when I looked at a 4300 that the clearance between ag tires and the fender might not allow for chains. - Jeff






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 01-26-2001, 11:06 Post: 23705
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I put chains on my NH 1320 this winter and I agree...what a difference. My tractor is 4wd with turfs and front loader. I ordered the chains from www.tirechains.com; they have resonable prices. When I received the chains the fronts fit with some minor lenght modifications. The rears would not fit due to an interference between the inner side chain and the ROPS. There is about an inch of clearance at the closest point between the tire side wall and ROPS; of course, this is exactly where the side chain was positioned. After some study of the problem I realized that chains could still be mounted if the side chains rode higher on the sidewall near the shoulder radius.

I ended up returning the rears and ordering side chains, cross chains, cross chain hooks and a chain tool (like a giant pliers) to make custom chains. I built a pair in an afternoon and they fit and work great. I originally built them with 4-link cross chain spacing but have recently ordered more cross chains to make them 2-link spacing for a smoother ride. The 4-link digs just fine but I think the 2-link will make a large difference to the ride.

Moral of the story is don't be dicouraged if pre-made chains won't fit. With a little study you can probably make your own custom set for about the same price - although the tool is about $75. Just make sure your side chains are not too high such that the chains could come off the tire.






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