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 02-27-2001, 20:47 Post: 24787
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I am so frusrated! I need a small tractor to do some heavy land clearing on a 2 1/2 acre lot, the soil is partly muddy, 1/3 woods. I need to create more of a slope for better drainage. When done, I intend for the wife to have her "garden" on 1/3 third, and lawn on 1/2, and the rest woods. I am torn between the JD790 (a well proven total yanmar produst) and a JD4100 (a mostly Yanmar/new product). The price of the 4100 w/HST and loader is about the same as the JD790 with loader. Both new around 14,000. I am almost 50, and since This will be probably the only tractor I buy, I would like it to be the right one. Also, the sales tax is 6% so I don't want to do it twice! What do you think?






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 02-27-2001, 21:41 Post: 24794
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Personally, I think you get more bang for your buck with the 790. If you don't mind the gear drive transmission, the 790 is the way to go. You get a heavier tractor which would be an advantage with the "heavy land clearing" that you mentioned. However, if hydro is important to you, the 4100 is a good machine also. It might be preferable if you plan to do mostly mowing after your land clearing is done.






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 02-27-2001, 21:58 Post: 24795
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Hmm....both very nice tractors. Do you ever plan to put a small backhoe on one? That might make a difference. Other than that, there are some important things about tractors that hardly ever get discussed. Here is how to test them:
Take both tractors out in the parking lot and drive them around fairly slowly on some bumpy ground. Stop about every 20 feet and get off the tractor, walk around it and get back on. Do this dozens of times for each tractor and you won't have to decide, your body will tell you which one that you want.
When you get your tractor, you won't believe how often you get on and off of the darn thing. Ease of doing so quickly becomes one of the most important things about the machine. The quality of the ride over ruts and bumps shares second place with ease of shifting from forward to reverse. To me it doen't matter if the tractor goes from forward to reverse via a syncro shifting manual tranny, a shuttle shift of some sort, or a HST....you just need some expedient way to change directions. Changing speeds while going in the same direction is nice if you have it..but an easy forward to reverse shift is more important.






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 02-27-2001, 22:08 Post: 24798
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Craig, I went through the same decision process a while back. It is not an easy decision. If the 790 was available in a hydro model it would have been a simple choice. Unfortunately the 790 is not available with a hydrostatic transmission. The other factors I considered was the standard mid pto and mfwd on the 4100. The independent pto's was another important feature for me (I'm just not that coordinated with clutches and tillers at the same time). I think the mid pto and MFWD are options on the 790. The 790 is a lot more tractor for the money h.p. wise, but when you consider the options and what the 4100 can do, I decided on the 4100. You may also want to consider Newholland and Kubota. My hat is off to the people that can operate a clutch and front end loader with precision. I just can't seem to do that. The hydrostatic drive was very important to me. This is not much of an answer but maybe a little insight. In any event I hope it was helpful.






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 02-28-2001, 05:51 Post: 24801
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I have the 4100 w/ gear trans. Believe me, you won't go wrong either way. The 790 will give you more bang for the buck and do the work in a shorter time. As far as reliability, I don't think there will be much difference between the two. I think either of them, properly maintained, will last as long as you need it. If the gear vs hydro has you thinking, drive one. I did and was suprised at how easy the gear shifts. They will both do the same work, the 790 will just do it a little bit faster.






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 02-28-2001, 06:47 Post: 24806
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Thankyou so far for the few responses. FYI - the 790 does not have the hydrostatic transmission (not an option - too bad). THe hydro vs the power is probably my main concern (wife and kid may want to use it - although the wife is quite hardy), although on the ease of cockpit entry/exit is also. I noticed that the 4100 seems roomier, and the 790 is mainly entered on the left side; while the 4100 seems to be able to get on from eother side (if I remember right). I'll have to check it out again. One other thing - the 4100 looks like it has reduction gears on the rear wheel assemblies. The 790 has the normal straight rear axle - bolts right to the wheels. This concerns me with two things: 1-Something else to break/service, and 2-If the rear wheels go down into mud, something else to "drag". THe front axle clearance on the 4100 is about 13", and the 4100 is about 14". I couldn't find the specs of the rear axle clearances.
Oh yeah - I am considering looking at Kubota, but my area is mostly flooded with John Deere. I don't even know which models are comparable. If you know, please respond, so I can do a price/aestetics comparison.
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 02-28-2001, 07:20 Post: 24808
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I always figured that the best tractor for a person is one that well suited to do what needs to be done over 20 or more years. I think many people start thinking about getting a tractor because of some big project that actually is a one-time job. The two ideas often don't match up very well. A good tractor for the long haul may be too small get the big project done in an acceptable time, and a tractor for the big work may be unwieldy for most jobs and also will remain unwieldy for 20+ years. My compromise was to go for the middle sized jobs. I got a used 24HP gear tractor. It gets the moderate sized jobs done well. However, I mow an acre, more or less, at each of two places, and I use a riding mower. The tractor would take too long to maneuver around landscaping, and the weight isn't real good for the lawn. I also recognize that large projects would take forever and might be risky for the tractor or me. The larger jobs go to the dozer guy. I figure that the money I save on middle-sized jobs I do with the tractor pays for the riding mower, and the time saved by the dozer guy is added to my life. Tractors are fun, but I don't want to spend all my time on one. I guess I'd start out getting a good idea of the initial projects. My opinion is that many jobs like clearing woods and re-grading sizable plots is best done with a dozer. The project could require removing quite a few stumps and moving a lot of dirt around. Compact tractors don't do either of these things very well, or at least very fast. Could be that neither tractor is a very good choice for the initial work. If true, then the bullet could be bitten. The dozer guy could come in and make short work of it, and plenty of smaller finish work would be left for a tractor. If that idea works, then, you could decide which tractor to get on the basis of factors that might be more useful to you over the long haul.






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 02-28-2001, 07:34 Post: 24809
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Hi Craig, I also had a hard time deciding. I finally went with the 790 and have been glade with my choice! I have like you some land to clear and so far I have had no problems.I have had smaller and bigger tractor over the years and one thing you find out about clearing land is you need a tractor with lots of weight and horsepower. I was amazed with the front end loader ,I had a stump about 18" dia from a toppeled tree that was my first victum. I worked my way under it and pulled it from the ground without breaking a sweat.I personaly don't mind shifting gears and the 790 shifts easy. You can also call 1-800-654-0611 and get a JOHN DEERE video free that compares all the market of compact tractors. Tell them you read about it in some magazine and they will send it right out to you!also shop around I saved $4000.00 + by buying my 790 through an Industrial dealer they had more insentives than through the AG dealer and could not even come close to the Industrial pricing.I hope this helps!

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 03-01-2001, 01:53 Post: 24837
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Craig, all prior posts are right on. After test driving gear and HST, I decided a 4100 HST was easier and safer for me. I'll probably never qualify as an expert even though I bought it to last for life. Eliminating gear shifting just made operating less complex for this part-time farmer. I also decided the lighter machine fit my sometimes muddy 2 acres better--I had a rented Bobcat stuck in my mud twice before buying the Deere. I also read, visited dealers, and researched for months. Eventually you decide what fits you best. Best of luck. JonB






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 03-01-2001, 06:06 Post: 24840
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Thankyou all for everything - I'm leaning toward the 4100 (with the hydro) for "lifetime", but yesterday I was calling a Kubota dealer to see comparables, and he said he has a used 1995 JD955 with @1000 hours, 4wd, hydrostatic trans, loader, turf tires, for half the price (I think it was $7,900. but need to check again). I could buy a second set of bar tires, and still be way out ahead, then trade it in later on the 4100 if I don't like it. Money is tight. I haven't seen the tractor yet, but would be concerned if it had been a rental; or may have just cut lawns. Hmmmmm... another fly on the ointment. Also wondering why someone traded it in...
By the way, what does a 955 usually go for with the above mentioned items.
Oh yeah - Im located it upstate NY.
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