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Well, I went and made things worse. I swapped out the injectors
for the old ones that it ran fine on. That didn't fix the problem so I started thinking it must be the injector timing. So, I set it slightly advanced, slightly retarted etc with no improvement. Bad thing is now it starts a bit easier runs badly all the time. Black smoke and knocking like no tomorrow. I've got the timing set back to the original location but it still runs badly. Now for the wierd part. I had it running and it was smoking and knocking and barely running so I hit the engine kill knob and suddenly it smoothed out and didn't sound half bad. I can't figure that. I'm about to send up the white flag and beg my local dealer to look at it. Any ideas ?

Kubota B8200 hard starting
Kubota Tractors
Replies 25 Post by mjw

Biodiesel is my pet issue. You can make biodiesel from just about anything. Burns cleaner and keeps the fuel system and engine cleaner, as well as much higher cetane value depending on base oils used. (animal fat makes the highest a bit over 60 cetane) Current prices for biodiesel or B-100 have recently broken the $2 a gallon barrier. Last i checked it was $1.90 is you purchased in bulk. Just have to use a good additive package to prevent gelling and microbial growth. Biodiesel is made by mixing strong base (lye & methanol) = methanone in correct titration with an oil (veggie or animal). Must be kept warm and circulated to allow the chemical reaction to complete. Maybe 12 hours depending on batch size. Forms into 2 layers, bottom layer is glycerin and the rest is biodiesel. Run it through a VERY good filter water separator, add additives, and your done.

0% Ethanol
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Replies 14 Post by Chief

Also, would a MMM be better than a finishing mower. That is would it be more manuverable, less backtracking, etc? Thanks!

Newbie buying 7800 soon many questions
Kubota Tractors
Replies 8 Post by dmnsmith2

I am not sure we are worlds apart on this, I mean in the end we or any one not there could banter to infinity about theory, could be , should be. My understanding is that many of the troops deployed in Afganistan are still there. As far as bosnia/Kosovo that is really past tense. You loose me a bit on the draft/equality issue but I am easily confused. Most of the troops that would have been in one action after another are groups like 101 st that take great pride in being there or any place needed. Again I am not quite sure if you are suggesting that we should have never been there with the reference to politics and political action. Was there ever a war with out Politics involved ? One trouble with forums is that many people will read a particular response and get many different meanings from it. All of our troops should be well cared for but currently I am not inclined to believe durrogatory press speculation.

I hate to see this happen but it was no big surprise
Just For Fun Off Topic
Replies 8 Post by Misenplace

Mark -

Why? That is a great question to ask. I'm sure that you could ask fifty different people that same question and get fifty different answers.

I believe that there is an understanding out there, however true or false is anyones guess, that if your going to be digging with the hoe, to keep the tractor "planted" beyond the capabilities of the stabilizers, one should load the bucket for added front weight.

Keeping this in mind, these same individuals will then crank the revs up so high that the TLB is then operating in such a "jerky" fashion, that it then will have a tendency to strain the assembly points of the unit. Rather than operating at a "comfortable" rev level, still achieving sufficient hydraulic operating pressure for the hoe, they will then start to rip and tear at a stump or heavy root or some such beast. Once caught with the little unit, the tractor will develop sufficient power thru the hoe to flip over and/or crush the operator. When the FEL is loaded, along with the strain on the framing from the "caught" hoe bucket, the tendency was there in the past to split the tractor in half. Hence the advisement for a subframe when ever using a backhoe on a compact.

The same difficulties run true, as a full or loaded FEL is obtained, and some brainchild decides to dig out a tree for transplant, and carries it in the hoe scoop along with the weight of the soil. Then in travel, from one spot to the next, they start bouncing abit, as most will. The bouncing gets out of control, as the weight from the loaded FEL is offsetting the weight from the loaded hoe , then reverses the weight displacement thru the bounce, and the next thing, the tractor splits in two, again. Hence the advisement of a subframe when ever using a backhoe attachment on a compact.

This same action of operation, as I described above with the extremely / too high of engine revs causing a jerky action, the loading of the FEL for counter weighting the hoe while ripping or tearing at a stump or such, then the loaded FEL with loaded hoe in transit, are all examples of animalistic operation of the TLB that will potentially cause either damage or injury or both. Remember the hoe is intended for digging, not ripping or tearing beyond its abilities.

I think that we are ALL guilty of taxing our equipment from time to time, however done repeatedly is ultimately going to show up with some sort of catastrophy.

Willie H.

backhoe for B7500
Kubota Tractors
Replies 9 Post by WillieH

Hi,

$16k is way out of reach, and 14' is getting kinda big. 2600 lbs total weight is sounding promising though. If I can lop about 600-800 lbs off of that (which the smaller units might do), the back of stakebed transport idea might be feasible. B)

Here's some links

http://www.p.f.engineering.50megs.com/photo4.html
http://www.p.f.engineering.50megs.com/photo2.html
http://www.p.f.engineering.50megs.com/photo3.html
http://www.p.f.engineering.50megs.com/photo6.html
http://www.cadplans.com/
http://www.cadplans.com/customer.htm
http://www.cadplans.com/diggers.htm
http://www.cadplans.com/loaders.htm
http://www.metkit.com/
http://www.ubuilditplans.com/webpage4_page2.htm
http://www.how-to-plans.com/loader_plans.html
http://cdp-tractors.com/

Build it yourself Loader Hoes
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 28 Post by DeTwang

Are you looking for a complete front end loader assembly? Or just a replacement bucket?

JD 4100 Front Bucket Scoop
Operating and Attachments
Replies 3 Post by DRankin

Jeffr,
I used to work for a Japenese company that did all you said about getting free infrastructure,property tax breaks, etc. It was in NC and they bought most of their materials from their home company in Japan at very high prices ensuring that they would show no profit in the US, so NO taxes. It was just a way to dump in the US and funnel profits ( US dollars) back to Japan. Our gummit supports this practice because of the campaign donations,etc...

Who are the Top 10 CUT Manufacturers
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Replies 18 Post by slowrev

Dennis -
I am still having problems with the Notifications, however as of late, I receive a notice from "someone" responding to a posted thread that I have responded to, only to realize that I have NO IDEA,(no trail) back to which posting the thread originated from or who might have responded to me.

When I enter the CTB for responding, there is no record of me posting. What gives?

Willie H.

Where are the Threads going
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Replies 2 Post by WillieH

Certainly on level ground the center of gravity on a tractor is going to be more toward the rear. But if you add a FEL, it shifts forward. Add a 3PH implement and it shifts rearward. Head downhill and the action of gravity moves the apparent CG forward because of the angle.

When you drive straight up a hill, the apparent CG is shifted rearward. When the CG is very near to or directly in line with the rear axle, then a dangerous stability situation is present. The torque from driving the rear wheels and any reaction of the front wheels going over a bump all contribute to lifting the front end.

On level ground, lifting the front end off the ground is an indication of instability developing, but without the added effect of the angle of the hill, generally nothing bad happens and the operator simply corrects. When you are on a hill, you may not have the warning that you get on level ground. You may notice that the front doesn't steer well, but depending on the hill and how you are driving, you may get no such warning. Having an implement on the 3PH may give some protection to backflipping, but since the 3PH does not limit upward movement till the arms hit the stops, it is probably going to be a scary event.

The most stable configuration sliding downhill??? IF all wheels are sliding, it is probably going to be with the rear going first. This is because the CG is closer to the rear wheels and the drag of the front wheels is going to tend to act like the fletching on an arrow and follow the CG down the hill. In addition, the CG will shift rearward as I described above and that will enhance the effect.

But, it is very likely that not all the wheels are going to be sliding at the same time for the complete duration of the slide. Any wheel that gets more traction will cause the CG to pivot and head down hill from that wheel with traction. Since the rear wheels are the most likely to get some traction, the tractor may very well swing around and go sideways. This is the most unstable of configurations and will likely cause the tractor to overturn sideways if the downhill wheels hit any obstruction or get traction due to the CG being shifted toward them.

Now, if you start down a hill with the front first, the CG is going to be shifted forward of the rear wheels. Since the rears are the most likely to have traction, this is a fairly stable situation. (CG is downhill from the wheels with traction) The front wheels are so far away from the CG that it would be very unlikely to flip over the front (unless the front falls into a depression.) In this configuration, at least the driver has a chance to steer into a slide and keep the front going downhill avoiding going sideways.

As we discussed before, there are too many variables to absolutely say for sure what will happen every time. I think that you told me that you use turf tires and those are going to react differently than my R4 lugs.

There are a few things that I can say for sure. Always use 4WD if you have it. Stay off the brakes and clutch and drive to a safe place even if you are going faster than you would like. If you have HST, then try to match speeds to keep the wheels rolling and slow down when you can. Steer into a slide if heading downhill, but if pointed uphill, it is better to keep the front pointed that direction to avoid the sideways configuration at all costs. If you are traversing a hill and you start sliding downhill, you should try to get the tractor rolling downhill whether it is front first or rear first. Once it is rolling then you will have some control.

If anyone is interested, I can explain how to measure and determine where the CG is of your tractor. But as I mentioned, things change when you add implements or slopes. The main advantage of calculating it is that the absolute point when a roll over occurs is when the CG gets directly above the axle or in the case of a side roll over, when the CG is directly over the line between tire traction patchs. These may be nice numbers to know, but you still have to rely on your common sense and instincts.

Backing or Driving forward up a hill
Parts and Repair
Replies 16 Post by AC5ZO

Dennis, when I try to make the image any larger it wont transfer and I get a frame telling me the image is larger than 30mb ? I do see what you are saying above. Am I doing something bass ackwords or do I just need to turn the resolution on the camera down and re-take the photos ??

food plots
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Replies 30 Post by Misenplace

Maybe I had better back up here. I have never bought Super UDT but someone told me it had an orange tint to it so you could tell what was in the tranny without further testing.

Maybe someone who has a jug of Super UDT can confirm this.

UDT vs Super UDT
Kubota Tractors
Replies 35 Post by DRankin

And a good idea. Many people buy based on total cost rather than monthly payment.

It makes a lot more sense to me to figure out what you can afford each month and try to structure the payments into that framework.

BX 22 TLB big enough
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Replies 30 Post by DRankin

Dale,

Last Friday, I took delivery of a new B7800 HST with R4 tires, 72" MMM, and LA402 loader. Paid $16,925 out the door. I contacted several dealers in my area, they were all close, but this was my best deal.

PS: According to my brochure (sp?) the LA402 loader is the only option for the B7800. There are options with other machines e.g. you can get the LA272, or LA302 with the B7500, but only the 402 with the B7800.

Prices
Kubota Tractors
Replies 4 Post by Jelliott

Sometimes I've thought about painting a Kubota GREEN. Then I could have the best of both worlds!

Kubota L3130 vs John Deere 4210 both hydro
Kubota Tractors
Replies 12 Post by Art White

You would loose a little but you would gain in other areas that would be a plus for you.

replacing a skid loader
Operating and Attachments
Replies 5 Post by Art White

I just had my dealer perform my 50 hr service on my 4710 hydro. I wanted to develop a service relationship and record so if a warrentee issue happens it cant be blamed on incorrect maintance. Cheap insurance for down the road.
The members of CTB helped me select my tractor, my name was Walt20.

4000 Ten Series 50 hour break in service
John Deere Tractors
Replies 71 Post by Long610

If you ever do comparative shopping you would be shocked what sales people say. I know I've learned a lot of new?! things from newer sales people as to who builds what. I think that I would be upset too! I don't know if a laywer will make a difference for some of them but it might make them learn a little faster. I know that not everyone starts off in this buisness experienced and everyone needs to learn, but some guys need a major reality check and for the people that meet them I hope there boots don't leak!

Litigous Kubota
Just For Fun Off Topic
Replies 12 Post by Art White

I called Corriher Impliment,in Newton NC,, that sells those,,he said the New Holland filter # is 86546623,,I hope that helps

Hinomoto oil filter
Hinomoto
Replies 5 Post by stevenc

New this tractor would sell new for about 17,900$ ,,it should be now worth about $15,000,,,,,,,,,,I hope that helps,,Steve

buying a 3010
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Replies 3 Post by stevenc