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I too will weigh in with a vote to get the backhoe. When I bought my tractor I was looking at used tractors. A tractor with loader and mower, or loader and backhoe sold for about the same price. A new mower is $3000 less than a new backhoe, so I bought the TLB. Also, I knew that once I had the tractor I was done (Capital approval board was only going to say yes once!) and there was no way I would be able to sell the need for a backhoe later. However, if the Garden tractor dies and the grass gets 2' high, a mower will be an easy sell.

Now that I have the backhoe, I can't imagine not having it. As said before, the backhoe is very useful for all kinds of projects, from moving rocks, trees, digging trenches, laying water pipe, wires, etc. I also used mine to create a 10 minute garden along the pool fence. Just scooped out a foot deep crater, grass and all, and filled it with fresh soil, planted the plants and done.

For all the needs you suggested, the backhoe will do it, with perhaps the exception of the pond. My pond is 100' by about 20', and was already dug when I bought. I drain it and clean out the muck once a year with the backhoe, but it is not the right tool. I can't use the loader in the mud (Sink to China) and while the backhoe can reach almost to the center, I have to dump the spoils on the bank, then move them to higher ground before I can pick them with the loader. I suppose I could dump them in a dump trailer, but I don't have one, and I can't pull a trailer with by Backhoe installed anyway. If you are digging a new pond in the dry season, it will take time, but you can do it with the loader. If it's wet, then you have to use the backhoe from the edge, and the width and depth you can dig are limited.

If you are trying to justify this on cost, don't bother. To do your trenching, stumps, excavation, I could do the whole job easily in a 1/2 day with a fullsize backhoe for about $250. The pond would be best dug with an excavator, and would be another $500 or so, not having seen the job. If you want the spoils trucked, add cost for that, or if you want them spread, a dozer, or the Backhoe for another $100-200. There might be float fees in your area, but here we cover that on the bigger job. Total cost less than $1000 and done in 2 days.

But if you want an investment and a toy, that will be invaluable to you over the next 25+ years, get it now and enjoy. Not knowing your age, the $6000 now is only $500 - or one job/yr for 12 years - and you still have it the other 364 days to play with.

Big Eddy

Backhoe Capabilities
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 11 Post by Big Eddy

Denny, you might want to see if you can find a Bush-Hog dealer and look at the 48" Squealer model SQ480. It's a real nice "light-duty" model, which is rated to cut 1" saplings with no problem, although they do make a lot of noise. It should match up real well with your B2410. It has an oval blade pan (stump-jumper) and is shear-pin protected with no option for a slip clutch. I bought a 60" SQ600 for $850 including an optional slip clutch last month. I think this was a very good price, but I expect that the SQ480 could be had for somewhat less because of no slip clutch and smaller size. Bush Hog also makes a 42" model.

bush hog brush hog rotary mower
Mowers Field and Finish
Replies 12 Post by JeffM

Bo, you say your brother tells you the bigger mower on a tractor won't do as pretty a job as the 42" one you're using now? Is that only because of the size and the fact that the yard is not level? Or is he talking about the difference between a "riding lawnmower" and a tractor powered "finish mower"? If it's because of the difference in the mowers, I'd say he's mistaken; the finish mower cuts as pretty as a riding lawnmower. If it's because of the terrain, then yes, he may be right, and of course, you'd probably get an even better cut with a 21" walk behind, too. LOL. Just depends on how much time you have, or want to use, mowing.

Compact Mowers Compact Tractors
Mowers Field and Finish
Replies 7 Post by Bird Senter

Jim, I see no one has responded so far, so I'll give strictly a personal opinion and see if anyone disagrees. I'd say run, don't walk, to the nearest exit. I wouldn't even consider it.

price on cub 7205
Cub Cadet
Replies 4 Post by Bird Senter

Larry, I assume the $15,000 even includes the front end loader. A year ago last August, I bought my B2710 for $15,500 including the front end loader. They may have gone up a bit by now, and of course, I know dealers who were selling them for more at that time, too. So I would guess that your price is about right.

Are you satisfied with Kubota 2410
Kubota Tractors
Replies 4 Post by Bird Senter

I happen to have been familiar with a fleet of wreckers (tow trucks) several years ago that was using manual transmissions and winches driven off a transmission PTO. Maintenance costs were high. Then a shop foreman had an idea to buy automatic transmissions, add a pulley to the front of the crankshaft on the engine to drive a hydraulic pump, and use hydraulic winches; happier drivers; lower maintenance costs. But I haven't seen one on a tractor yet; figure they have to exist.

Electric winch and light hookup
Kubota Tractors
Replies 20 Post by Bird Senter

Larry, if it's the horizontal brackets that bolt to the tractor frame, there should be no play at all. If it's the vertical loader masts there may be a little movement. There are shims that should be adjusted to minimize this movement. I just did it on mine and it's pretty simple. Lower the bucket and raise the front tires a bit. Disengage the loader quick release handles on each side. raise the bucket slowly until there is about 1" of clearance to the mount at the front (loader frame will drop about 1"). Then loosen the shim bolts (two on each side) and tap the shims down until they are snug. Retighten the bolts and reattach the loader. It's all covered in the loader operators manual if you got one. Hope this helps. Rob

Question on FEL on JD790
John Deere Tractors
Replies 3 Post by Rob

The dealer I bought my TC40D from actually came out to my place to do some minor repairs on the machine. They had left out the two bolts that hold the loader control to the fender, a coolant line was pinched under the loader frame causeing a leak, and one of the hydraulic lines was leaking fluid at the loader hyd hookup point. Called them on a Sat, and by Tuesday they had it fixed. The little problems were kind of a pain, but it sure made me feel better when they came out and fixed so soon without having to argue about anything.

NH Warranty Work
New Holland Tractors
Replies 11 Post by MarkS

Well, I'm still doing my homework on this 3 pt. vs. frame mount backhoe subject. Mark, the info you supplied is invaluable. On the JD setup a "power beyond kit" has to be installed if you want to be able to operate the bucket along with the backhoe. Is there a PBK on your setup??

Also, I thought that about a week ago, someone posted that they sold Woods hoes but now I can't find that post. If that came through as a private post, would you please post again. I think the price was $3800 plus shipping.

We looked at the full frame mount on the JD and it is way beyond what we need. The entire 3 point assembly has to be removed from the tractor for the hoe to be installed. Mark's setup allows the 3 point hardware to remain on the tractor, so now I'm actively looking for a hoe that can be installed using Mark's sub-frame mount system.

Thanks again to all who are part of this discussion.

3 point vs frame mount
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 24 Post by J. B. Hopewell

Wayne, I'm looking at a similar setup JD 4 series / BX2200. I've found reasonable price comparrisons at the link below. Hope this helps - Jeff

tiller price and value of JD318
John Deere Tractors
Replies 2 Post by jeffrey Porter

Tom, I agree with most of your analysis. Nice work. There are other forces at work, but in large it is as you said. The great unknown is the overturning force of the rear tires. If they spin, all is well. If they hook up with traction it is a crap shoot. The typical "accident" happens when the tires spin down until they hook onto a root or a rock. I've had a farm tractor do that more than once. Yes, they do rise up. If this worries you, simply ballast more to the front. It is that simple. Your concept of physics and tractors is excellent. And I agree with you. My opinion is that most rear roll accidents are not accidental, but preventable. Just do your physics and take the time to work safely.

Anyone ever use a ROPS
Tractor Projects
Replies 33 Post by Roger L.

You can probably get from Amerequip and Paint it Orange. There is another company(can't remember the name, they're on the web) that said they could be painted to order.
Jeff

Backhoe for BX series Any truth to the rumor
Kubota Tractors
Replies 2 Post by jb85302

Caveat emptor. I've heard from more than one source that "Kioti" is Korean for "drivetrain problems" (loosely translated, of course).

Price check on Kioti LB1914
Kioti Tractors
Replies 8 Post by KenB

Thank you, the Info is very helpful.

Ford Or NH 1520 Hydraulics Spec
New Holland Tractors
Replies 3 Post by jb85302

Roger, I should have been more specific the prices are for pump kits(pump, sump, hoses,etc)nothing else is needed. About locking the hoe...this one has a homemade bar that goes from top link to drawbar with a piece of square tubing on the bottom that slides over the drawbar, then you put a pin through it, it locks it up pretty good. The hoe won't bounce unless you bounce tractor and all.
Jeff

Backhoe PTO Pump Pricing
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 11 Post by jb85302

Please take a look at the attached link and tell me if this is a fair or decent price.www.tayzac.com/jd855.html

Price 855
John Deere Tractors
Replies 2 Post by BeeFarmer

It is 33 HP at the motor and 27 at the PTO.
I don't know about the 40A loader. I would have thought it has a 70A, which will lift 850 pounds to 77.3 inches when installed on a 955. Breakout force is 1300 pounds.

-Don M

info on JD 955
Parts and Repair
Replies 2 Post by Don M

I have owned A DK35 now for about 2 weeks I have 10 hours on it.I have had a minor problem with a stripped out bolt that holds the loader on,they came and reamed out the hole and fixed it,two hours away,I was impressed.They also told me about a recall on the part where the chains mount to the frame for the 3pt hitch,they had two parts to beef it up and that was brought along also.One more recall was brackets on the loader that were replaced so the bucket doesnt tip back against the frame.I paid a decent price for this tractor,and for what I use it for its perfect.If I was going to use it every day for construction jobs I would go with Kubota simply because everything is alot heavier duty...including the price!The front bucket on the kioti is pretty thin,but Im beefing it up with angle iron now,before anything bends.The things I dont like about the tractor are very minor but Ill tell you anyway.First the 3 pt hitch has turnbuckles and chains for stabelizers ,next the oil dip stick and screen in front of the radiator arent very accessible especially with front loader,you have to pull the panels off.Other than that the tractor has all kinds of power and a nice little 3 cyl eng,shifts nice and the PTO comes on real smooth.I only have 10 hours on it,Ill keep in touch when I add a few more Walt

kioti tractor
Kioti Tractors
Replies 8 Post by walt lieber

Andy,

Is your tractor still for sale?

Mike

JD4300 plus implements for sale
John Deere Tractors
Replies 3 Post by Mike Doubet

I don't have an answer for you but I would appreciate on from you. What is the Hydraulic spec on your tractor, mine was on the pump itself. I need to know GPM and PSI.
Thanks Jeff

new holland 1520 wheels
Parts and Repair
Replies 3 Post by jb85302