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cdcole
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2004-06-05          87807


Gentlemen,

I hope that someone has some experience with this. Here is my situation: 1) I am having Northland Buildings erect a pole barn for me. 2) The area is flat and free of trees. 3) I would like to prepare the site and fill with gravel with my TC25D and loader. 4) I would like to see pictures or get instructions as to how others have prepared their pole barn site. 5) Does this project really require a $2000 excavation? 6) My soil does not have a lot of sod - my plan was to build a soil mound 1 foot higher than surrounding area- then cover with another 4-6" of gravel - level everything then call the erectors. Please lend your experiences to me.

Cliff



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harvey
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2004-06-06          87829


Built many and building one now. Strip off the top soil at least 6-8 inches deep. If sub soil is real sticky (clay) I'd use ground fabric also. Have bank run gravel brought in to back fill 6-8 inches above your old grade. I like to see at least 2 feet extra around all sides. Have building built bring in #1st or #1 stone or Course Sand to set your final grade prior to pouring concrete.

If you are heating the pole barn structure there are other things to consider... ....

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cdcole
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2004-07-04          90026


Here is the deal - all topsoil has to be stripped then fill with large stone (2-3" dia.) about 3" deep. Then gravel - 3-4". Then add as much stone necessary to get the floor level and 6" above grade.

That is the guidance from an excavator. Backfill to create side slopes. ....

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2004-07-04          90057


As soon as my building permit is approved I will be adding a 12x32 runout shelter to an existing barn. I was told to dig down 12"-18" and put stone, gravel, and stonedust, in that order. I know an excavator can do the work in a matter of hours. I have a Kubota 7510 and LA 302 loader. Any thoughts on whether or not I can do this myself? I don't mind taking longer to save money, but if it's going to take days rather than hours it might not be worth it. Any thoughts? Suggestions? ....

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2004-07-10          90487


IMHO
Hire the guy if you can afford too. Don't forget the subgrade and drain before you start filling it.Compact before the stonedust and again after.

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2004-07-10          90520


Spent the day using a friends 2910 with backhoe. I had lots of fun and moved a huge amount of dirt (my 7510 was great as the designated pile mover). Hopefully I can clean up the mess I made tomorrow. Tomorrow will also be a test of sorts as I try and dig for 4 piers. If I can't do it, my trusty manual post hole digger is at the site.

I still might need to hire an excavator to make sure the job is done right; but I have had fun trying so far! ....

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2004-07-11          90535


Having fun trying is what its all about!
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2004-09-18          96794


If you are heating the pole barn structure there are other things to consider...
harvey
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I PLAN ON HEATING & Air Conditioning my 30x 52.
For my 22 X 76 I plan on heating one 16 x 22 stall.
What other things should I consider... ? ....

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2004-09-18          96795


If you are heating the pole barn structure there are other things to consider...
harvey
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I PLAN ON HEATING & Air Conditioning my 30x 52.
For my 22 X 76 I plan on heating one 16 x 22 stall.
What other things should I consider... ? ....

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2004-09-19          96832


Keeping frost away from the slab and not heating the soil around the permiter is a challenge. I like to use a 1' vertical piece of 2" foam with 14" alum flashing to protect it on the outside. I also like a 2' wide piece of 2" foam horizontal around inside to help keep heat in.

I do not think you have to use foam under the entire floor. ....

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2004-09-19          96834


to cd cole

as far as the subsurface and surface for a pole
building, i would suggest going ten feet each side
of the planned size of the building. If your building
is to be 40by60 feet, I would make a surface 50by70
and use pit run gravel. I am in a low area, so I built mine
up 2ft. I did this in stages to let the rain settle the
gravel. You didnt mention concrete, and unless you have
a specific need for it, why pour in concrete-it only
increases the cost. I can get 18 yard loads of a nice
pit run (which is actually what is used by our county
on the gravel roads)for $82.00 per load if i contract for at least 25 loads. I wouldnt strip anything. You
want your building high and dry. Water goes thru gravel
much easier than thru concrete. If your land is level
I would use 1 foot of build up, placed in two stages.
Use a bunch of 3 or 4 inch line levels and string to
mark height as you go. This is not brain surgury.
I am not sure how big your tractor is but I built 3
all wood pole buildings (except the roof-metal) and
used my B2400 Kubota and the fel and rear blade to
do all of this. My buildings are all 30by50, because
we cut all the lumber at my neighbors small sawmill and
didnt feel comfortable handling larger trusses. I built
these for less than $5000.00 per, but this was all lumber
i had previosly cut from my own trees-mostly spruce and
balsam. I wired it myself-also not brain surgury.
good luck (dont be afraid to make mistakes-we all do
and that is how we learn)

doc ....

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rpelleschi
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2004-11-25          101000


Cliff, I am right in the begining stages of doing what you described. How did you make out. Any tips? I have a JD 4400 with FEL, and a Cat 941 track loader at my disposal. I will get a box scraper before I start. Any info would be great.

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