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 | Ken S
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 16 Minnesota 
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2003-01-08 47176
Am thinking about buying a Ford 1710 without a loader. What kind of problems can I expect hooking up a loader? Will I need an auxiliary pump? Does the loader use the remote outlets on the rear?
Ken
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 | jeff r
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 428 burton. michigan
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2003-01-08 47201
MY brother has a 1710 and a Ford loader. It comes off easy and it does not hook up to rear wet lines. It has lines up front all alone for the loader. you will not need an extra pump, Tractor's pump handles it more than satisfactory. ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley 
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2003-01-09 47212
The current discussions about 1710 aux ports and 1920/Allied loader hydraulics have some relevant info.
I have an Allied 195 loader on my 1710. The bucket is fairly small as loaders go but it's probably a good match for the tractor. The power steering for 1710's isn't very strong and the steering can be pretty heavy with a heavy load in the bucket unless there's a heavy implement on the 3ph. I believe that's true for 1710's in general, but my PS may not be working all that well so perhaps I have more of a problem.
NH probably has a loader that fits 1710's and there are part numbers for a NH valve assembly and hoses. You might check after-market manufacturers to see if a frame specific for 1710's are still around. An after-market loader likely would be much less expensive than a NH one. I think of Allied as a decent economy loader but there are alternatives. The link below to Buhler goes to the Allied page.
With most after-market loaders, you probably have to supply the valve and hosing. A dealer should be able to come up with a package for either a factory or an after-market loader. As Jeff notes, an appropriate sized loader works OK from tractor hydraulics. I find the dump speed a little slow. If I was buying a new valve I'd get one with a regenerative fast-dump feature on the bucket control valve (a float feature on the lift valve is standard for loader valve assemblies).
I'm not certain what is meant by 'rear remotes.' Perhaps there already is a control valve assembly plumbed into the auxiliary hydraulic system, but 1710's didn't come standard with any remote outlets. If there are already two or more valve-controlled outlets on the tractor and their operation is convenient for loader work, they should operate a loader just fine. There is the power-beyond issue noted elsewhere.
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| Ken S
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 16 Minnesota
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2003-01-09 47219
I just got off from ebay and I am the final low bidder for the Ford 1710. My bid was $5,400 for a 1987 Ford 1710, 1650 hours, 4wd, heated cab, PS, Live PTO, 3ph. Did I get burned or is that a reasonable price?
Thanks for the above replies also
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| jeff r
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 428 burton. michigan
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2003-01-09 47227
Ken S,
I think you got a really really good deal especially with the cab. ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2003-01-10 47259
Congrats! It'll probably be a good tractor for you. Parts and service support from NH remain pretty good and manuals are still available. If you want manuals it might be good to order them soon. I'm not sure about owner's manuals, but the repair and parts manuals are reprints from an independent publisher. If the publisher is out of stock, delivery may take sometime until a print run is done.
An '87 probably has an upgrade where a steering damper was added. It looks like a tube shock absorber mounted horizontally. It sits fairly low and is subject to damage. It's good to check if it is dented. A dented one can bind the steering.
With all 4wd tractors it's good to avoid using 4wd on hard surfaces and especially during loader work. I'd be especially careful with a 1710. There is an opinion not shared be all that the front drive coupling to the differential is not all that strong.
At 1650 hours you might be getting close to needing a new clutch. If prior maintenance and operation has been normal further major maintenance shouldn't be expected until 2,500 - 3,000 for injectors and maybe pumps.
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| Ken S
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 16 Minnesota
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2003-01-12 47408
I just got home with the tractor (from Michigan to Minnesota) and it appears to be everything the seller said it was except the 4 turf tires look brand new! I have to get some manuals now cuz none of the lights work or I'm not pressing the right buttons. I'll look for that power steering tube tomorrow and also confirm the year with the serial #. I have no way of knowing its past history but it was owned by the Ford Motor Co. and used as part of the groundskeeping equipment. They closed the plant and supposedly sold a whole batch of stuff to the guy I bought it from so I'm assuming Ford Motor Co. would have kept this stuff in pretty decent shape. Thanks for all the help
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2003-01-13 47424
Sounds pretty good. Manuals are available through NH although delivery may take time if the publisher is out of stock. I paused and thought 'what power steering tube' and then realized it's the steering damper I mentioned. If it's get PS it's fed from the same pump as the hydraulic system through a priority valve on top of the pump.
Most things to grease are pretty obvious. There is a fitting on the front axle pivot point on 4wd models (the middle of the frot axle from the front) that's easy to miss.
The flashers don't work unless the headlights are turned on. There's on switch position for low beams and another for high. The fuse block is under a cover below the console and in front of the shift lever on top of the TX. Fuses may be blown or removed (not all slots on the block are filled with fuses) and the same with the bulbs. I has some lights and instruments that didn't work and I cured the problem by cleaning the fuse ends and contacts and also ground connections for the lights.
You have the optional synchromesh 12 x 4 TX with live PTO if there the range shifter is on the TX and the other shifter is on the steering column. Otherwise both shifters are on the TX. Tire pressures are pretty low for turf tires--10 lbs. front and 12 rear work pretty well.
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