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 | eiger
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2002-12-05 45772
I have a Ford 1715 and use it for loader work (Woods loader) and snow plowing. I have a NH front plow. Sometimes do tilling. I was at a local dealer buying a part and happened to see the TC30 literature. Seemed pretty nice and may solve some of my complaints with the 1715, although this is really a great base model tractor. The loader cycle time is very slow. No live PTO. It will stall out when tilling and hitting a med. sized root. Will also stall when brushogging, slthough the stuff has to be pretty thich. Also,the machine always seems like it wants to tip over unless you're on really flat ground, my biggest complaint, (yes I use a counterweight). Will the TC30 with the extra weight/width help? Are they fairly stable?(do R4's help?) Is approx 7 more HP a big difference? I see that the GPM flow is alot greater on the TC30?
Next Q? The guy said that the TC30 is around $11,900 - std
$12,900 hydro. Could give me around $7 to $8k trade. Mine is almost like new and only has about 190 hours on it. Tractor for tractor with no implements. Is this a good deal?
PS will my NH front blade fit the TC30?
Thanks
Steve
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 | jeff r
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 428 burton. michigan
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2002-12-05 45775
Steve,
You are getting 3 more hp with a Tc30. Both tractors are pretty close in specs. I would check out your Hydro pump. My brother has a 1710 and it has a Ford loader and the same engine as yours, 3 cyl 81 cube Shabura diesel at 27 engine hp and 23 pto hp. Loader is quick. How big a tiller you got on it? 60 inch is about max and go SLOW with engine at PTO speed and it should work fine. If it don't it isn't because the tractor isn't big enough. It could be a multitude of things wrong. How many hours on it? Hydro or gear on the column? ....
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| Mrwurm
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 184 South East Michigan
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2002-12-06 45781
Steve, I have never used a 1715 but I can tell you that my loader operates very slow on my TC30. I use mine for home use so speed is not much of an issue. If I used this machine to earn a living it would not suffice. The pump only puts out 6.1 gpm for implements and 3.5gpm for steering. These are pretty low numbers but good for an economy-class tractor.
P.S. My power steering is fine untill you fill the bucket, then it strains and moves very slow. Again, great tractor for home use, not great for commercial use.
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley 
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2002-12-06 45788
I always thought the TC-series is pretty much a re-issue of the Ford 20-series which is similar to the 10-series. I've never been sure exactly what the 15-series except maybe a NH economy version of the Fords produced after the NH take-over.
Hearing that there are appreciable width and weight differences between a 1715 and TC-30 kind of surprises me but that probably would increase stability. I still think the tractors would be similar enough that not a huge performance difference would exist.
Loading the tires on the 1715 and reversing the wheels might provide additional stability. I think R4's and turf tires have smaller outside diameters than ags and that also would improve stability at the expense of ground clearance.
I also experience the limitations noted for loader speed and power steering with my 1710, but the main irritant is the loader dump speed. Maybe this summer the irritation might be enough for me to get a new loader valve with a regenerative fast dump feature. I get by with the PS and I'm happy I don't have a big loader bucket. The performance works for me but I suppose I could start studying servos if I really wanted more PS.
Anyway, there are things I could do to bring my 1710 sort of into the modern world. If I were going to step into the modern world, I'd probably wait a few years till the e-stuff sorts its self out and then look for a tractor that doesn't seem tied to patched-up old designs. I suspect that anything called an economy tractor whether it's new or not is going to be pretty much old-design for some time. I basically like my old design 1710 and at the moment it's saving me from wrestling with stuff like software glitches in controller chips. I'm not that sure a new economy tractor would do much more for me.
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