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I apoligize for coming off so strong.

What I'm saying is your apprehensiveness may be well founded, but, like it or not, electronics are here to stay. A good friend of mine that works for motorola told me that many new vehicles have an amount of $$$ wrapped up in electronics comparable to the mechanical items. I found this hard to believe at 1st but if you figure every little wire and control, it does add up.
Your options are limited in the tractor market if you eliminate the makes that have been around for over 50 years.
I have the 4310 and so far, it has been a great little machine. I have pressure washed the switches and everything else for that matter. While this may not be the smartest thing to do, I want to see what happens to stuff while it is under warranty.
I have been in the manufacturing industry for quite some time now and quality is as good as it has ever been considering that pricing has gone down. Many people tried to ram down our throats the fact that quality does not add costs to anything. Well they must not have priced Toyotas lately...Kyle

4xxx electronics long-term viability
John Deere Tractors
Replies 36 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

Jonathon, the true costs of a tractor need to include resale. If you get in a cash bind and need to sell, a good brand will bring you back most of your money. Especially if you buy a used one and take good care of it. I'd recommend to take your time, look for used model of popular brand and be ready to buy if one comes available. Also, buying from a good dealer might get you some warranty. Someone to ask questions to with local knowledge is a plus. Parts availability. If you can buy for $10-12K, use it for 2-3 years, then sell,trade, move up or whatever, doesn't it make sense to buy something that holds its value?
Just my two cents...Kyle

Tractor selection assistance
John Deere Tractors
Replies 33 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

Well folks, someone left the window open. It is suppossed to snow here tomorrow.
Billy, my dealer is pushing the lighter oil too. Wonder if they know something we don't?
Talk to y'all later,
Gotta go get my coat...Kyle

4610 ehydro pedal locations
John Deere Tractors
Replies 17 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

Mark, I hope you don't get tired of typing. It sure is nice of you to posts all those specs. I've noticed during my tractor shopping that JD seems to offer the most specs, especially for utility models. One that seems missing from some manufacturers and is potentially the most important is torque and torque rise. What happens is some players try to get more HP out of less displacement and, in a diesel, usually the torque numbers drop. Not trying to start any arguments but they often put fuel consumption numbers at PTO speed etc. Doe's Nebraska test foreign models too. I haven't checked yet...Kyle

Secret Specs on John Deere Compact Tractors
John Deere Tractors
Replies 35 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

You are right 5 string, when the tractor is out of warranty, I'll be more judicious with the PSI. I bet you never have problems with your bearings and bushings. Anyway, if you know anyone that wants an old Gold Star Banjo, I have one I'll sell that is about 20+ years old. Nice instrument. You could put more info into your profile. We tend to take people more seriously if they do.
My dealer told me to "USE THE TRACTOR, WE'LL FIX IT IF IT BREAKS" Actually, I am close to the dealer proximity wise and they sometimes use my feedback to help other customers. Most of my feedback is derived here on the net from fellow tractor folk. I must warn you though, this tractor speak is addictive...Kyle

e-hydro or PowerReverser transmission
John Deere Tractors
Replies 12 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

You won't regret your decision. We have the same units except mine has 430 FEL. This tractor seems to be the best bang for the buck. I spent a bunch of time researching every brand for which there was a dealer within 50 miles. You also won't regret spending the extra money for the ehydro. If you buy a rotary mower, get one with a slipper clutch. Its an extra 80-120 bucks but will save you time and money in the years to come.<br>
Look closely at other units on the lot to see how the bracketry for the FEL goes on. My dealer didn't offer me a savings on the installation, just a flat price which was cheaper than the competitors.<br>
Good luck

Getting a new 4310 next week
John Deere Tractors
Replies 8 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

Thanks DH83...Kyle

Kioti Problems - comparisons to JD Kubota NH
Kioti Tractors
Replies 51 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

Chief, you made out like a bandit. You should'nt post prices that low, you got everyone all stirred up. I'm no salesman, nor any connection to any dealership. It would be easy to pick apart everyone's arguments concerning your purchase. Brand loyalty is what makes all this fun. If you'll continue posting, I'll start calling you spoon-man, cuz' you sure know how to stir the pot up.
Are you retired, or might you be going closer to harms way to protect the rest of us tractor bickerers back home?

If you have to go,
Thank you from the bottom of my red-blooded American heart,
Kyle

Sorry Guys I ve gone from orange to green
Kubota Tractors
Replies 33 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

Tim, keep us posted with your problem. Glad you got your tractor back and hope its fixed.
Kyle

Just got my new JD 4410 - Problem already Help
John Deere Tractors
Replies 78 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

West, Let's hope it holds together. My 4310 hits hard when engaging the PTO. My salesman was knowlegdeable about this and sold me an LX5 with a slip clutch. Not accusing anybody of anything here, but talking from experience, I know the natural thing to do is put a high grade bolt or shear pin in place to keep from shearing. I've done that myself(guilty). I hope that JD can somehow figure a way to ease the PTO engagement. As of now, they haven't. You might ask your dealer to trade in your cutter for a slip clutch model. My manual for my cutter recommends taking the slip clutch apart and re-torqueing yearly or if not slipping to make sure it doesn't cause problems. When my tractor was delivered, one of the 1st things the Salesman preached was to make sure engine is at idle when engaging. So far, I've hit quite a bit of stuff, my blades have a few gashes. I use my tractor to clean around our pond too. I back the shredder out over the water until the blades hit the water then pull forward. Works good. My cutter stays hydro-cleaned underneath. Yes the slip clutch works. Contrary to jeffr, I routinely machine parts over 42-45 rockwell C. Heat treating is cheap, its the quality of the steel used that is expensive. I'm sure my PTO shaft isn't made of plasma nuclear dipped inconel(maybe Kubota's is), so I hope if it gives, it does it under warranty. I tend to abuse equipment more while it's under warranty than if I'm liable. Still proud to be GREEN.

4210 HYDRAULIC PROBLEM
John Deere Tractors
Replies 20 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

JDfan,
Get what you want. You're only here on this good Earth once. My wife gets mad at me for spending too much time on tractor chat sites. Also when I'm working(playing) in the seat of my 4310 while she's hauling brush...
PS, was the bucket too much for the 4310? They sure are expensive!!!

Jd tractor dilema-4310
John Deere Tractors
Replies 6 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

JB, Are you going to be doing much shredding between trees or in confined areas? If so, do yourself a favor, spend the money and get hydrostatic. If not, ignore my recomendation. With hydrostatic, you can back under trees, go forward and back up again without shifting one single gear or clutching. Major time saver if backing up a bunch. With a purchase this big, you owe it to yourself to shop every brand near you and ask questions until your blue in the face. You'll find out what kind of patience your dealer has. If they are worth their salt, they'll ask you questions til' both of you are blue in the face.
Good luck,
Kyle

Selecting the right size tractor
Kubota Tractors
Replies 34 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

Chief, My father in law bought 2 JD chainsaws about 2 months ago. I've been the one to use them the most. Actually start and run really good. They are made in Italy. I wish I knew which company made them. I can't exactly remember the models but I think the small one is a CS-36 (about $175) and the big one was a not quite $300. So far I've wore out two chains on the small one and 1 on the big one. I like the light one better but it can't do the big jobs so well. I'm going to try and start a thread on pole saws, I bought a Shindaiwa and the motor runs great. The pole seems a bit flimsy but is this normal for pole saws? It has a splined shaft inside the tube instead of a cable. It is rated for professional duty but time will tell. I have years of tree trimming ahead(77 acres of oaks,cedars, mesquite and huisatche) so I'll probably wear these out. If I do in the near future, I'll post something.
Kyle

What kind of Chainsaw to buy
Shop Tools
Replies 80 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

JR, you got a great deal on a great tractor. I hope you enjoy it for years to come.
Your fellow green bleeder,
Kyle

John Deere Tractor - 4600 to 5400
John Deere Tractors
Replies 8 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

I love the JohnNewBota idea, especially if the dealer is your favorite uncle.

Kubota Number 1 in Compact Tractor SALES
Kubota Tractors
Replies 87 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

Albion, looks like you need to hook up with Ryan who has a JD dealership in PA. He has a post stating he has several on sell but I don't know if he has a 4610. It is somewhere here in the JD price forum.
Kyle

JD 4610 vs NH TC45D
John Deere Tractors
Replies 4 Post by Kyle_in_Tex

I'd like to thank all the regulars for all the advice they take the time to post. I've been a sideline reader for months and finally dove in head first 2 weeks ago. I priced everything in my range, all colors, right up to the last minute. Used the net, phone and my Suburban to talk to many dealers. The dealer 8 blocks from my soon-to-be new home town gave me the best deal. I chose green, a 4310 w/ehydro to be exact. FEL and LX5 shredder too. I priced orange up until the last minute. Looking for more implements as we speak. Maybe I will have problems with all the electronic gadgets down the road, maybe not. I'm a manufacturing engineer by trade and can fix most anything. If I wanted a model-T , I'd would have bought an old tractor. My Sub has electric windows/locks and I use them and yes, I've had to replace the window motor. I like conveniences, including sliced bread. Anyway, we've got 25 acres on one side of town and 52 on the other. Plenty of projects ahead, land clearing, pond renovation, new home/barn construction. Its all fun right???
The dealer had a few recommendations when I was looking.
1)no one ever comes back and complains they bought too much HP.
2)If cutting around trees in tight quarters, pay the money, get hydrostatic.(I'm glad I did so far)
I must say I'm lucky because if I need a bigger machine, my father in law purchased a JD 5420 4wd w/power reverser the day before I bought mine. He too shopped everywhere and ended up with JD.

I can't say enough about the Dealer, I would recommend them to anyone. They have a no haggle price and don't care if you're the president or a nobody, same price to all and I must say it was lower than any I've seen posted, regardless of locale.
The Dealer is in Giddings Texas, Jaeger's is the name. The info is on JD's websight if you do a dealer search. Tell them Kyle sent you. I get nothing for leads.
Again, thanks to all for the info guys and gals.
P.S. I like all the funny stories of screw-ups. I promise to add mine when they happen.
Kyle

Thanks to ALL
John Deere Tractors
Replies 1 Post by Kyle_in_Tex