3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425: Back Hoe  -- Tractor Attachments Implements 3ph Discussion Forum and Review 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425: Back Hoe -- Tractor Attachments Implements 3ph Discussion Forum

  parts   |   manuals   |   discussion   |   photos   |   podcast   |   reviews   |   specs   |   dealers   |   classifieds   |   contact   |   faq   |   myProfile   |   home          Login Now | Sign Up


FAQ:   What is a tractor?

Forum Index
New As Posted | Active Subjects



www.emerichsales.com - New & Used Equipment
          View Tractors For Sale!


www.partsbynet.com - Lawn and Garden Equipment Parts


Bernardsville Landscape Lighting
Click to Post a New Message!

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Back Hoe Forum

Page [ 1 ] | 2 | 3 | | Next >>
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo
 08-04-2012, 17:49 Post: 184544
backwoodsbob



Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Alberta Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 9

8
Filter by User
 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425

I'm looking at adding a 3PH backhoe to my 80 HP JD5425. The JD dealer locally has a JD49 for $11000 CDN. On the web, Liberty equipment (Mesa AZ) has an 8ft (with mechanical thumb and extra bucket, shipped) for $5300 USD.

I'm a first timer here, but need some advice. Anyone experienced Liberty backhoes? The super-sales guy says they're made in Arizona.

Thanks in advance.






Link:   Liberty Backhoes 

Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 08-04-2012, 18:04 Post: 184546
kwschumm



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NW Oregon
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5764

2
Filter by User
 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425

I know nothing about Liberty backhoes but 3ph mounted hoes have caused a lot of damage on tractors. Subframe mounted hoes are much sturdier and spread the load across a much more substantial mount. And, of course, they are more expensive. It's not that 3ph backhoes cannot be used without damaging something but they are definitely more apt to cause damage than one with a subframe and they require a careful operator.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 08-04-2012, 18:30 Post: 184547
backwoodsbob



Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Alberta Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 9

8
Filter by User
 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425

Thanks kws. Where is the problem usually? I assume where they attach.

Is it therefore better to have a PTO pump hydraulics system on board the hoe?






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 08-04-2012, 20:46 Post: 184548
kwschumm



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NW Oregon
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5764

2
Filter by User
 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425

The problems depend on the tractor, hoe and 3ph strength but the simple ones are arms bending and breaking, and if they don't break castings sometimes break. Another problem operationally is that most hitches don't provide downforce so as you dig down the hitch wants to move up so I assume they have some method to restrain that movement which would shift the stress somewhere else. Regarding hydraulics, I'd look into getting some more valves built onto the tractor (JD probably sells additional SCVs that add right on) rather than an external pump, seems like it would be easier to hook up but I'm not sure about cost differences.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 08-04-2012, 22:07 Post: 184550
DennisCTB

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Nov 1998
Location: NorthWest NJ
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 2542
 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425

When I started this board 14 years ago there was a lot of talk about 3ph backhoes. I remember Steve Carver -- a SC Kubota dealer reporting a death where the operator was crushed between the hoe console and the ROPS when the lift raised on a 3PH backhoe.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 08-04-2012, 23:04 Post: 184551
backwoodsbob



Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Alberta Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 9

8
Filter by User
 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425

Call me crazy. In1999, I spent 4+ months in hospital recovering from just such a near-death experience with a 3ph hoe that collapsed upward pinning me between the control box and the ROPS. Long ugly story. The hoses had been switch the day before to "make the digging more natural".
Critical: The ROPS has to be turned down/ taken off. And the 'no downward pressure 'cept for gravity' must be understood. I was ignorant. And very, very lucky.
Go figure - Now I want another hoe. Now on a bigger, heavier tractor.
My ex-wife who saved my life, would kill me. But I'm not so ignorant and am much more aware and careful.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 08-05-2012, 08:58 Post: 184553
hardwood

TP Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: iowa
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3582

6
Filter by User
 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425

BW Bob;

Welcome to the forum, good to have some new members, some of us old ones like me are getting a bit dim.

So far as three point mount hoes, I can probably find two or three without driving too far that hae been abandoned in the fencerow. For all the reasons given above they just haven't been too successfull.

I've got a Deere 4310 tractor, about half the size of your tractor with a Deere #48 backhoe attachment. It is connectd to the tractor with a subframe, the only time the three point is involved is to mount and dismount the hoe.
The subframe stays on the tractor and isn't in the way of any other attachments that I have. It's about a fifteen or twenty minute process to mount the hoe. The three point arms have to come off, that's the hardest part for me, but I am almost 71 so that might be the reason.

I've always been a believer in staying with the same brand attachments as the tractor for anything that is mounted directly to the tractor like loaders, backhoes, etc. The mounting points are in the proper place on the tractor frame to stand the strain, the hydraulics are meant to match, like flow rates, pressures, etc. So Deere tractor Deere loader, hoe, etc., Kubota tractor Kubota loader, hoe, etc.

Frank.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 08-05-2012, 09:48 Post: 184555
auerbach



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: West of Toronto
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 2168

6
Filter by User
 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425

I don't know Deeres as big as yours, but all the above comments sound right on. Hoes are marvellous so I don't mean to discourage you, only to expose the negatives too.

-They're the costliest attachment you can put on, and the most awkward to install, carry around, and detach, so consider alternatives like renting or hiring a dedicated machine.

-Of course you have a front loader; otherwise better get one.

-Hoes need considerable hydraulic capacity to operate their 6 or 8 cylinders, especially if the controls allow simultaneous use. Many tractors' pumps aren't up to the demand, and auxiliary pumps are costly.

-If your tractor does not have auxiliary hydraulic connections, better get an estimate for them too.

-Most seriously, the need for a subframe, I know one guy who's been hoeing off the rear hitch of his 22HP compact for 20 years with no problems. But I heard of another who was driving to his job-site when road-bumps shattered a lower control-arm on his hitch. And I fractured my frame (actually the bell-housing, which serves as a frame) pulling up with my loader, the same strain a hitch-hoe would impose. In short, seems it's fine to mount a hoe to your hitch if you have skill, luck, and medical coverage.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 08-05-2012, 11:48 Post: 184557
backwoodsbob



Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Alberta Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 9

8
Filter by User
 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425

Hardwood Frank and Auerbach: Many thanks for your wise counsel. Let me rethink this plan.

Such a good forum.

bob






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 08-05-2012, 18:40 Post: 184558
Murf

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 7018

4
Filter by User
 3PH backhoe advice Liberty backhoe for JD5425

It's long been my advice to people thinking about a backhoe to not buy one unless they have several full days a months work for it.

The logic is simple, first, unless you use it that much, you won't be proficient with it. An inexperienced operator is far more likely to hurt themselves, their equipment or someone nearby. Second, unless you use it that much, it's cheaper to have a rental house drop you off a tracked mini-excavator. It will dig circles around a 3pth hoe, with no wear & tear on your equipment and your tractor is still free to work alongside the mini-ex.

BTW, welcome, and part of Cannuckistan?



Best of luck.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo


Page [ 1 ] | 2 | 3 | | Next >>

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Back Hoe Forum

Thread 184544 Filter by Poster:
auerbach 6 | backwoodsbob 8 | DennisCTB 1 | hardwood 6 | kthompson 1 | kwschumm 2 | Murf 4 |




Most Viewed

+ Woods 9000 sub-frame backhoe
+ Backhoe Hydraulic Hose Line Set up???
+ Kit Built Backhoe Review Advice
+ small backhoe bucket
+ Taylor-Way backhoe Reviews?
+ Case backhoe value-kelly blue book
+ subframe vs 3 point
+ JD model 48 backhoe attachment plates for JD 4600
+ kelly backhoe
+ CADDigger 608 Building Experiences

Most Discussion

+ Backhoes and breaking frames
+ Backhoe Hydraulic Hose Line Se
+ Back hoe on a sub-compact
+ JD 48 Dipper cylinder
+ TC33D New Holland breaking in
+ THUMB SIZE
+ CADDigger 608 Building Experie
+ Backhoe decision, help !!!!!
+ subframe vs 3 point
+ Backhoe Bucket sizes

Newest Topics

+ Update - Backhoe Attachment
+ woods backhoe bh106 what is the weight
+ Rigid Toplink for 3 point hitch Backhoe
+ 3PH Backhoe Flushing Lines and Cylinders
+ Brands Mfg. 3pt. backhoe
+ LW-6 3 point hitch
+ cub cadet 7205 Which backhoe will fit ??
+ 8LD Bucket
+ LW-6 3ph backboe how to test pump after hydraulic
+ backhoe for deutz agrotron 155cv













Turbochargers for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Cab Glass for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Alternators for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Radiators for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Driveline Components for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Starter Motors for Tractors and Industrial Machines