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 12-27-2008, 15:12 Post: 158869
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Has anyone experienced failure of the HST filter in cold weather. This is the second time that mine has "let go" spilling most of the hydraulic oil on the garage floor and in the driveway. The first time, while under warranty, it was repaired by the dealer who mentioned that there was a special filter for cold weather use, which I assumed that he installed. Apparently not because less than 100 hours of use later the second filter failed. Same problem, same results! Downright maddening with all of that oil to clean up. BTW, the cold weather filter is only $112.00 but is made like a tank! Who should be responsible - owner, dealer or NH?






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 12-27-2008, 21:03 Post: 158874
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Since it was not a case of owner/operator error, it's another one of the many problems that seem to crop up with new NHs. It may be the manufacturer's fault, but since you dealt with the dealer (who did not alert you to this), your locus of recourse is there. If you demand or win redress from the dealer, the dealer will very likely get reimbursed my the maker.

But I'm wondering about the dealer's story. Don't know how many hours recommended between replacements or how long you run the machine, but surely these filters are expected to last years, not just a single season. In fact (not that I've heard of everything), I've never heard of a seasonal filter.






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 12-28-2008, 06:15 Post: 158875
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I've never heard of the special filter. Might you be thinking of a heater for the coolant? Or a block heater?

100 hours is a really long time for something other than the filter to go. If something was bad it may be the filter. Did the dealer replace it with an aftermarket--non-NH-marked filter? There are many posts here even for other makes that have had similar issues only to find out the wrong filter was used---it's too easy for a technician to grab a filter off the shelf and only look at:

If the overall size is the same--which doesn't always apply--I have a replacement filter for machine that is half the size of the OEM.

If the threads are the same--which doesn't always apply: sometimes the threads are metric, and sometimes the threaded portion can be higher or lower inside the filter itself so it may bottom out, or not fully seat.

Also they have no clue iof the filter media is rated for fuel or hydraulics, and if so is it rated for filtering same. And can it withstand bursting or vacuum? Does it have an internal relief/bypass valve?

I have a hunch--just a hunch--that perhaps your machine has more than its share of moisture in the system. Perhaps, ice crystals formed in the filter media and clogged it resulting in the bursting. If that's the case, I think it's the wrong filter as there should be a bypass to relieve the fluid.

Also, some spin-on fliters which look like any other fliter are used specifically to prevent water in a system--I have one on my hand-pump fuel transfer tank. When it is exposed to water it actually swells up inside and prevents pumping.

Bottom line, I would play dumb with the dealer. You don't want to piss in their coffee right of the bat, so you have to decide what your plan will be as you go. Be forewarned though calling the NH Customer (No)Service Line, will get you nowhere---they are a bunch of useless college kids working as subcontractors for an answering service. They know absolutely nothing about tractors nor do they care. And it can take months to get a half-assed answer back from them. I've gotten back answers that didn't even apply to my machine. My advice is if you don't get anywhere with the delaer right off the bat, talk to an attorney. It will probably cost the same to have them fix it right as it will paying a dealer. I had a situation with NH and mentioned "my attorney" and they sat up, took notice and ened up buying my machine back and gave me a $13,000 discount.






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 12-28-2008, 10:07 Post: 158876
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The tractor only has 166 hours of running time on it. The original HST filter was replaced at the 50-hour service interval and then again during the second winter of operation. The HST filter that failed the second time is a NH part and it is printed very clearly on the filter body that it's good for 300 hours. The cold weather filter has the same information printed on the body and it is the same size as the one that failed. The difference between them however is like night and day. The cold weather filter is built from machined aluminum that appears to be about 1/4" thick and has larger openings for the oil flow through. The defective one is your standard design made from stamped sheet metal that is relatively thin.

BTW, I also replaced the hydraulic oil with NH's F200 multi-viscosity oil that can be used year-round and is recommended for cold weather operation. At over 10 bucks a liter it better be worth it! I'm not taking any more chances.






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 12-28-2008, 11:02 Post: 158878
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Take a look at photo "jtfirth1" in the TractorPoint Members Photos and you will see the difference between New Holland's cold weather HST filter and their standard (defective) filter. Like the say, "A picture is worth a thousand words..."






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 12-28-2008, 11:34 Post: 158879
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Hey your picture didn't work out. Just sows a box with an x.

On your railroad: do you have a need for saw made for cutting railroad track perfectly? I have one for sale and I'm across the "stream" from you too. It's a Stanley RS25.






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 12-28-2008, 11:57 Post: 158881
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JT has his own railroad. EW has a saw for cutting train rails.

I gotta lie down.






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 12-28-2008, 12:47 Post: 158882
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I'm not sure what your problem is with the photo. It works for me. Do any photos for other members work?

The saw might be a tad big for what I'm doing. My railroad is HO scale - 1:87!






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 12-28-2008, 14:00 Post: 158883
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Oh, your profile doesn't say SCALE MODEL railroad.

Poor Auerbach--he got all disgusted over nuttin'.

But don't dispair Auer, I sell YOU the saw, 'k?






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It does now. Sorry to both for the confusion and disappointment.






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