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[QUOTE=Murf;160531] The image linked to below is but one story of a fellow who had that very problem, a 3pth B/H was too much for the transmission casting on his JD4700. [/QUOTE]

Murph,

I thought we were talking about whether or not a 3pth bh could crack a tractor in half.

If Walter's tractor has not had a 3pth BH attached, how did it become part of this thread?

Backhoe Hydraulic Hose Line Set up
Loaders Back Hoes
Replies 43 Post by SamSpade

I have a similar fence to build this summer. Let us know what you decide to do and how it works out.

A high primary fence with a lower outer fence is the prevailing wisdom here. Similar to Murph's logic, just a different field implimentation. I am planning to go with 8 feet high and probably 8 or 9 strands of new zealand wire (high tension, .100" galvanized wire) with a 6 joule ac powered fence charger and an outer secondary fence. The new zealand wire is nice because it lasts a long time and it acts as a physical barrier even when it isn't charged. Mine will have to hold goats as well, that's why so many stands down low.

I use 5 strands (HGHHG) of new zealand wire and the 6 joule charger to keep goats in. Goats are a pretty good test of a fence, but they can't jump as high as deer. Particularly fat happy goats like mine. No, they're not fat, they just have a big rummen...

The money is in the wire and fence posts, so it's worth it to get a good fence charger so the wire you put up will have bite. And go with good posts.

Murph's right about miles of wire. You can string the feed wire high or bury it from the charger to the fence. A charger that can charge any length of fence can easily supply that fence over a long feed line that isn't grounded by weeds. String it more than head high, though. It sucks to brush your head against 6 joule charge while strolling barefoot in the morning dew... Knocks a fella right down.

A solar charger may work but an ac charger will have much more bite for less money. The largest solar charger in kencove is a .5 joule as opposed to a 6 joule ac charger for 1/3rd less money. If you can find a way to use AC rather than solar, that would be my suggestion. A less expensive ac charger can charge an awfully long feed wire to get to where your fence is.

For fencing supplies I generally order from Kencove.com. I have also heard good things about a fence company in NH, Premier, but I haven't used them.

Be prepared for sticker shock though. A fence can be a big investment.

Solar fence charger recommendatins
Garden and Landscape
Replies 17 Post by SamSpade

I called my JD Dealer. He did not have much in the way of illumination, but suggested adding white bottle Power Service. His take on it was, if anything the home heating fuel was going to have more sulfur, ie lubricant. Adding power service, in his mind, made up for any inadequacies.

He also said he hadn't really considered it before, so it was an off the cuff opinion.

Using Number 2 heating fuel in a tractor
Parts and Repair
Replies 12 Post by SamSpade

The Welder / Generator is a good suggestion.

A big part holding me back is I wouldn't use the generator for backup very often, and I could live without it. But a welder on the other hand.. And the point that since it would get more use so it is more likely to be in working order when the time arrived is a good one.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Best Portable Generator 7500W Review
Shop Tools
Replies 32 Post by SamSpade

Not long ago I was using a friends 855 JD (I think that was the model, 8 something anyway). I got it stuck when I broke through the frozen crust around the manure pile I was trying to dig into. I tried using the bucket to lift the front end to get it clear and much to my surprise, it couldn't do it. It did have down pressure, just not enough. I am not sure what horse power the tractor was. I just assumed that on a smaller tractor it didn't have enough lift in the bucket to pickup the machine.

bucket down pressure
Kubota Tractors
Replies 18 Post by SamSpade

That makes more sense than the dealer's statement that they were identical aside from the engine chip. He may have been using a simplified script avoiding details.I certainly took it with a grain of salt. It makes a sense to me that when you are putting 150% more horse power through it, heavier components are needed.

It would be interesting to know what is beefed up. I would think it would be all about power delivery like the clutch since the over all capcities aren't changed, just how fast they can be achieved.

JD 4X20 differences
John Deere Tractors
Replies 6 Post by SamSpade

Yes, my bad.

I assumed that because DRankin's 4100 was a 4XXX model # it would be a member of the same large frame compact family as my 4320 and have similar sized tires. It wasn't until later when I looked up the specs on a 4100 that I saw why his tires filled would add so much less ballast than my 13.6-28s. I should have known better than to assume similar model numbers would mean similar machines.

John Deere Tractor Ballast Advice
John Deere Tractors
Replies 38 Post by SamSpade

I bought a 48 HP CUT this summer. I talked to five dealers for Kubota and JD. All of them were willing to sell me a machine, but I didn't find much difference in their quotes and was not able to get them donw on the price much. The current economy might help you more than it did me, though.

I got a backhoe with my tractor and am very happy with it.my tractor is for moving material an preparing soil (I don't do any finish mowing). The backoe makes my tractor a lot more useful. I have rented in the past but far prefer having my own. If a body has the work to be done, a body won't regret having the means.

Kubota 3240 or JD 3203
Kubota Tractors
Replies 20 Post by SamSpade

I was looking at the specs for the 448 vs 485 backhoes on the John Deere website. One of the features listed for the 485 and not the 448 is an "enclosed boom and dipper". In the pitcures, the 448 boom and Dipper look identical to the 485 and both have the hydraulics on the outside (the 485 goes on to list that as a feature for easier service). Does anybody know what they mean by enclosed? Is that just that the boom and dipper are box beam construction? Four peaces of plate welded into an "enclosed" box? Is that different than the 47, 48, 447 or 448 backhoes?<br>
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Does anybody know the difference between a 448 and a 485? I vaguely remember the 485 has clearence for cab tractors. Anything else?

485 Backhoe enclosed boom and dipper
John Deere Tractors
Replies 2 Post by SamSpade

Let's see,

Honda Civic wagon (1991 RT4WD version, great car) I think 12 rims. Invested in a new set of rims last year as I was tired of the old rusty set going flat every 5 days. So I am down to 4 rims and tires for summer and winter. I suppose I could dispose of the rusty four at this point.

1995 Jetta, for my wife, 8 rims and tires, summer and winter. Has a pancake spare (I never heard it called that, but I like it) but since those aren't worth a darn, carry a full size from off season. A practice that is a side benefit of the winter and summer set lifestyle.

Full size Chevy G30 cargo van, last of a line of many. Hopefully Latest, though, not last. Tires and rims for summer and winter. Also have full 8 from previous van that was coincident with this one. And then there are at least another 8 under the barn from 3/4 ton vans of older vintage, But those are 5 lug, 15 inch and won't fit on the current van. Things have a way of stacking up as long as there is empty space in a barn..

The BMW R1150R has only one set of tires, not even a spare, but it only runs on thawed pavement.

I know a lot of people, even here in VT, go with all season tires summer and winter. For myself, I have looked at the factors and chosen to go with specialized tires suited to the extremes of each season. It might not be a necessity, but I feel good on the road with them and in the long haul, I don't think it costs me any more.

Best tires for ice
Autos SUV Trucks
Replies 39 Post by SamSpade

I found this at ferguson Mfg

http://fergusonmfgco.com/middlebusters.htm

It looks a lot like what my dad used behind the troy built.

If I could mount it behind the tiller on my tractor, I think it would work.

And the 3pth on my tiller mounts to a square bar that looks similar to the ferguson design. It's the main structural piece ont he tiller. Too bad there isn't one behind the tiller as well as the leading edge.

raised beds attachment
Operating and Attachments
Replies 11 Post by SamSpade

This reminds me of maintenance on my BMW motorcycle. I spent way too much money on a a very nice bike a couple of years ago. Since I paid so much money for it, and two wheels are different than four, redundancy wise, I generally let a dealership do the maintnance on it. A while ago, I took it in for a regular service interval and the tires needed replacing. I spent more on those two tires that go about 5-6 K miles than I do on the 4 ten ply tires that go on my one ton truck and go 40K + miles.

When I got the bike back, it would smoke at start up if it had been on the kickstand any length of time. It was not doing this when I brought it in. I questioned the dealer, didn't like the BS answer he gave me, went back for more. His final word was that BMW lists that consumption of less than 1 quart of oil per 300 miles was within spec. He didn't see a problem. I came to the conclusion that they had over filled the oil and it was laying agains the cylinder while on the kickstand and weeping past (this is one of those twin opposed engines). I drained some oil out, putting it in the dot on the sight glass and it went away. I also come away from that thinking that what's "ok" in the manual may not be the same as what's "OK" in the mind of the operator.

I'd like to figure out what JD calls out for a spec on the boom sagging. Mines probably OK. But since I don't have a lot of experience with hydraulics, and I am a coward, able to envision my own death (and by extension, the death of my equipement) a thousand times, I wouldn't mind getting the input of someone with more experience. Preferably someone who doesn't have a dollar sign at the begining of thier motivation....

Thanks for the insight offered.

new 448 backhoe sags
John Deere Tractors
Replies 23 Post by SamSpade

I am surprisingly calm at this point, considering I signed a note with payments bigger than my house. You're right though, I don't have the energy to look back. Gotta keep moving forward. It's a little easier with MFWD, though...

How to talk to a dealer
John Deere Tractors
Replies 17 Post by SamSpade

I got the same answer, the 485 is a 448 with updated mounting brackets for hoses so it can be used with a cab tractor.

I got the mechanical spec sheet and all the digging dimensions and such are identical from the 448 and 485.

backhoe 485 vs 448
John Deere Tractors
Replies 4 Post by SamSpade

I checked tractor house and looked at listings for used tractors for sale. Is there also average prices for new tractors in there somewhere?

Price on a new JD4320 open station
John Deere Tractors
Replies 3 Post by SamSpade

I took a look at it again today. The owner wasn't around so I didn't get to look at the service records, but I took a hard look at it and got SNs of the bucket and tractor.

This L2850 is a DT-8. What is a DT-7 that art mentioned? Any gues how the DT-8 is different or how to find out?

Looking around underneath, it still looks prety clean. But I did find some hydraulic fluid. I know from my old vans that a little hydraulic fluid on the drive shaft may just be weeping past the seals and not necessarialy a problem. Any advice on a tractor? I also found the center PTO for the mower deck, and I gues other front PTO appendages. The little metal cap was bent, but I didn't see any damage to the PTO.

Any guesses about what this tractor would have gone for new. Turns out it is a 1986, not a 1989, BTW.

Help with a L2850
Kubota Tractors
Replies 5 Post by SamSpade