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 | beagle
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1333 Michigan 
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2004-09-17 96696
I have a couple hundred yards of fill I will need to move and have been looking for a hydraulic dump trailer. I've looked at the one offered in Northerntool, but hesitate to drop that kind of $'s on something without seeing it first. Does anyone have one of these, or any suggestions of a good deal out there. Looking for something about the size of the tandem trailer in Northern, something around 3000 or 4000 lb capacity. It doesn't necessarily need to be highway approved, the one in Northern isn't. I will be moving the fill around the property. Thanks
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 | yooperpete
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1413 Northern Michigan
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2004-09-17 96698
I'd look around for a used dump trailer with lots more capacity to move that much dirt that can also be used on the road. You can buy a new, no frills tandem axle 7000# trailer for about $3,000.00. Mine is a Haul'n brand that is 10000#. (E-Z dumper is another brand) Suggest looking in the Michigan Auto/RV trader paper. You may find other uses for it and keep it or resell a used unit for what you paid for it. ....
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 | hardwood
Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3583 iowa 
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2004-09-17 96746
Beagle; If my memory serves me correct I recall that a yard of soil, depening on soil type, moisture content, etc., weighs around 3000 lbs. That could mean 120 loads thats a lot of trips. This summer at the farmstead we did some major landscaping, I moved and leveled 20 tandems of fill lime, crushed rock etc. roughly 180- 190 yd. with the 4410 and 430 loader over a course of a couple weeks of 1 - 2 hour spirts. some had to be moved 20 ft. some 250 ft. My point being that if you're not moving the soil great distances that FEL may be just as quick as loading a trailer, dumping it then leveling the soil. Just a thought. Frank. ....
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| denwood
Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 542 Quarryville PA 
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2004-09-18 96776
I would agree with the other posts, you need more weight capacity, it you have the machine to move it loaded. I have a pronovost 5' x 8' dump trailer for off road( they do make on road). http://www.pronovost.qc.ca/remhra.html It is rated for 5 tons and dumps left, right, and rear. I love it. I use the side dumps as much as the rear. I do tow it on the road sometimes but at reduced speeds, you don't need lights, breaks or registration here for off-road(used on the road), just an orange triangle. Check out their web site. They are very well made. ....
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| beagle
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1333 Michigan
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2004-09-19 96829
Frank, let me give you a little more info. We just finished vinyl fencing around the back of the property. At the main gate, I poured a slab for the gate towers, but only poured it 4" thick. So when I bring in the trains, I will have to have them dumped outside the gates. The fence is there to contain the beagle brood that roams the property. So to get a load with the FEL means opening the gates, picking the load, coming back out, closing the gates, Blah..Blah..Blah. I guess that my 402 bucket will carry about 1/4 yard per trip. The idea of the dump wagon was to be able to bring a yard or two at a time through the gates and travel the 350' to where I have to dump it. I built myself into a box.
denwood, can you give me an idea what you paid for your trailer? I checked out the site, pretty nice stuff. Doesn't look like they have any dealers in Michigan though.
Thanks for your help. ....
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| hardwood
Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3583 iowa
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2004-09-19 96835
Beagle; That would be a lot of gate openings a bucket at a time, so now I better understand your need for a trailer. I don't know how popular flare box wagons were for farm use back quite a few years ago in your aeria, but around here they're just not used anymore so you usually can find them on an estate farm auction that will bring 50 to 100 dollars for a decent wagon, hoist, box and all. I've bought several then thrown the box away and use them for lumber storage I've got three or four of them around with good hydraulic hoists on them. Just cut the box down to where you can reach over the side easily with the loader and you still probably could haul a yard and a half or so. Just another thought. Frank. ....
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 | Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
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2004-09-20 96873
Beagle, we get the same sort of problem a lot, only in our case it's not dogs, it's golfers.
Over the years we have found it's true what the ladies say, bigger IS better. At least when it comes to construction jobs, LOL.
Never mind the 4" slab, or the dogs, if the material is coming by truck, then leave it in the truck. Have the dogs out of the way for a day, drive the trucks right to the spot and dump. It will be a lot less work, and probably money, to repair a 4" slab than to try to move all that fill in very small loads. Besides, I think if you do the math, a dump truck on all those big tires probably doesn't exert more weight per square inch than 2 tons in a dump trailer with two small tires.
Best of luck. ....
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| beagle
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1333 Michigan
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2004-09-20 96877
Thanks Murf, the fill is being delivered by train fronts, 24 yard loads. Thats about 75,000 lbs, plus the truck. They wouldn't be able to pull all the way back anyhow, due to the soil conditions, which is why I am filling. I did some filling this spring and the trucks barely made it to the gate before they started sinking. If I can get my pictures posted ( see other thread ), you can see what we are trying to do.
Besides, if I can get a new toy out of this mess, great deal. As far as keeping the beagles out of the way, the wife would get me out of the way before those dogs. It may be good to be King, but at our place, it would be better to be a beagle.
Thanks for the thoughts. I will definitely put them in the stew. It may be cheaper all the way around to have the fill delivered in 6 yard loads. A smaller truck may be able to stay above the muck. ....
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| Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
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2004-09-20 96883
The traditional way of filling Moose Pasture is the 'causeway theory', start filling as soon as it gets soft and keep pushing it out into the muck with a blade, then back out on top of the fill and tip over the edge.
We have filled some pretty soupy areas with loaded tandems and tri-axles doing it this way. It takes surpirisingly little to support a loaded truck because of the 'snowshoe' effect.
I can COMPLETELY relate to the 'dog's life', it is the same at our house, his nibs (see my pic. # 7) will allow my wife to share HIS stool in front of the fireplace, as long as she doesn't get too pushy. She gets the first few inches at the side, IF he's in a good mood.
Best of luck. ....
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