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2004-10-17          98595

Drove through the first snow storm of the year this weekend. October 17th seems a little early. Wet, but accumulating up to three inches on the grass. Time to dust off the winter gear and start treating the fue differently. Here we go again !!

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2004-10-18          98619

Where did you find snow this past weekend? Was in Oscoda this weekend and the rain seemed a little hard but no snow. The weekend before last I rented a cabin (Yule Log Cabins) on the Lake Superior shoreline in Christmas (about 400 yards from the casino). They were as warm there as downstate. Was peak color in U.P. that weekend-nice! ....

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2004-10-18          98632

It spat snow in Swartz Creek, MI. This weekend. ....

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2004-10-18          98635

Alan,
I had no idea you were so close. Over in Davison we only got bb sized hail, no snow that I saw. A friend was up near Cadilac fishing over the weekend and he said they had 1" on the grass.
Glad you got the fuse issue resolved.
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2004-10-18          98636

Hi David,
Thanks. It was driving me nuts because I couldn't come up with any logical reason why it wasn't working. What equipment do you have?
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2004-10-18          98637

Alan,
I just bought a bx2230 with fel, 60" mmm and rear blade.
So far I love it. I hope to get by without the snow blower, but with 800' of drive way, that may not happen.
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2004-10-18          98638

Hi David,
I don't know a lot about the Kubota's but my brother bought his about 6 months ago and he really like it too. I don't know if you are looking at a Kubota blower or a 3 point rear blower but I would look at TSC, I have been buying attachments from them for my JD855 and I am pretty happy with their stuff (assembling kind of sucks though). They seem to be more reasonably priced in the skeem of things.
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2004-10-18          98640

Alan,
Thanks for the advice. Several posters here have mentioned them. There's one in Lapeer that I keep meaning to stop at and check out what they have. Just haven't had time lately.
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2004-10-18          98641

s chrand: "I hope to get by without the snow blower, but with 800' of drive way, that may not happen."

The front Kubota snowthrower is expensive, but it is of the highest quality and you will not be disappointed.

IMHO a rear blower on a BX without the turning seat, or other means of rearward visability is literally a pain in the neck. If you get the front mount, you will still be able to use the rear blade.
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2004-10-18          98642

AV8R,
I agree that a rear mount snow blower would be a pain in the neck, and after thinking about it, it's not an option. But at $3K for the front blower, that's probably not an option either! Like I said originally though, hopefully I'll be able to get by with the fel and rear blade. I'm not too particular how it looks, as long as my wife doesn't get stuck. (of course now I have something to pull her out with!)
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2004-10-18          98643

Hit the snow in Gaylord on I-75 late Saturday night and again Sunday morning. Didn't slick up the roads, but accumulated pretty good on the grass. It snowed a bit around the Idndian River area, but nothing like in Gaylord.

My son is up at Mich Tech. he said they didn't get any snow. ....

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2004-10-18          98652

s: I'd shop that number around a bit. I know I didn't pay anywhere near that for mine. More like $1999, I think. ....

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2004-10-18          98658

If you're looking for a snowblower in Michigan, I'd suggest looking in the Michigan Auto & RV shopper. It is a free newpaper available at many gas stations. Section A is cars & light trucks, Section B is RV's, bikes, sleds, trailers & big trucks and tractors'n stuff.

Not far from your local area is Jensen equipment just south of Millington on M-15. I buy and sell stuff to those guys and they seem reasonable and good to deal with. Kim Weiss is who I talk to. Nolan's is another dealer in Lapeer. I can't remember the name of third dealer also in your area that has lots of used implements. My dad bought a backhoe from them. Can't remember if it is on Dort highway/M-54. They have a huge lot with stuff spread out all over. Maybe I'm confusing them with Nolan's. I try to stay away from dealerships since I end up buying to much stuff. ....

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2004-10-19          98710

AV8R,
the quote of $3K came the from the dealer where I bought the tractor (Flint New Holland). It included the snow blower ($2K) and the hydraulic front mounting unit ($1K). I haven't shopped around yet, since I'm not seriously looking for one yet. still hope to get by without one.

Pete,
I'll check out the trader magazine, but won't hold my breath looking for the kubota front snow blower for my bx. a 3pt rear i'm sure I could find, but as AV8R pointed out, that's alot of strain on my neck (something I definitely don't need!). I will look for a small brush hog though. For the limited use it would get, a used one is my best bet.
I talked with Kim at Jensens when I was shopping for the tractor. He was very helpful, and had great prices. I went with the local dealer as he is only 4 miles from home. I wasn't very impressed with Nolans. They just didn't seem interested. I will try them for used stuff now though. The only place near Dort I can think of is the New Holland dealer I bought from. They're on Bristol near Dort. some used stuff, but not alot. So far a very helpfull service dept there.
Thanks for all the advice. how hard is it going to be to clear a driveway with a rear blade? I'm envisioning just angling the blade and driving over the snow (forward) with the blade then pushing the snow off to the sides. If the snow gets too deep, I'll turn the blade around and have to do it in reverse, or use the fel. Make sense?
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2004-10-19          98712

People have used rear blades in that fashion for many, many years, with great success.

With a sub-CUT, the problem could arise that there is not enough space between the blade and rear tires. This could cause the tractor to lift and stick or could pack down snow under the tires and blade. Remember too, that the 3pt is desined to pull not push. You could damage the arms or case if you impact something while pushing. ....

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2004-10-19          98714

pull not push...
I had never considered that but it does make perfect sense. I also hadn't thought about the clearance between the tires and blade. I thought my only prblem would be clearance under the tractor (snow gets too deep). That snow blower is starting (just starting!) to sound better all the time.
thanks again,
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2004-10-19          98715

Pull not push is exactly right. I was using an old Ford at our gun range to clean off the pistol bays and I was pushing backwards to pile the snow to a back birm and the entire 3 point hitch came apart and I ended up driving over the 3 point. It was not good. I learned a lesson after that.

It did end nicely though. They bought a John Deere 4610 right after that! :)

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2004-10-19          98717

i have bent and broken the pins pushing snow backwards with the blade. however if you turn the blade at an angle it helps alot and only push a half blade or less at a timeif you pull it then pull only half a blade at a time it helps too limit the build up behind the rear wheels ofcourse we dont get as much snow here but most of the time when we do its very wet heavy snow and ice. hope this helps ....

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2004-10-19          98718

I set up a front blade for my 7800 from a blade left over from an old tractor and a home fabricated ladder frame. The hydraulics for the lift is in the ladder frame and the angling cyliner is on the blade. I Run the blade off the FEL SCVs and it does a great job. The ladder frame attaches at the front of the tractor under the grille guard mount and to the center of the tractor at the MMM lugs. This set up pushes a lot of snow.

I'll post some pictures when I get it back on the tractor. I don't remember the exact cost, but the Kubota front blade with sub-frame was pretty pricey. ....

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2004-10-19          98719

S CHRAND,
The Landpride rear blades generally have a longer beam length between the 3 point and the pivot point. So, snow build-up shouldn't be a problem. If you have a cement or blacktop drive it will work great. For stone you definitely need shoes on the back blade and even then with heavy snow, the blade will dig in. I usually turn the rear blade at a tilt and operate it backwards so it doesn't dig in. I then use my FEL and backdrag it.

This year I'm going to try a 2 stage front blower on a 17HP lawn tractor with cab. I picked it up at an estate sale for $800.00.

A front mounted blower is definitely the best way to go if you can justify the cost.

P.S. I think Nolan's is the dealership with all sorts of used equipment laying around. With them, you need to know what you want. ....

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2004-10-19          98721

Actually. If I were considering a blade for my 855 for $ 3,000. I would buy a blade for the front of my truck instead. Then I have a heater, stereo, and a lot better seat. Plus there is no way any tractor could keep up with the plow on the truck. ....

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2004-10-19          98722

Alan, I beg to differ with you.

I have plowed commercially for MANY years and can tell you a properly equipped tractor will out-plow a pickup hands down every time.

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2004-10-19          98723

It sounds like this thread may have saved me from damaging the 3pt. thanks to all. I would have been very depressed if that would have happened to my new toy!
the blade will be angled, but the first pass will have to be a full cut, and if I do half cuts, then they would have to be toward the previously cleared area, or else I'll just be pushing (pulling) that previous cut along with the new cut. (did that make sense?)

beagle
I 'd be very interested in seeing how you fab'd and mounted the front blade. I have an old blade taking up space in the barn that I could maybe use. what exaclty do you mean by the mmm 'lugs' at the center of the tractor? I'm picturing the lift points for the mower, but would be reluctant to subject them to the forces of a front blade. Of course, maybe your setup is different than my bx.
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2004-10-19          98724

Murf,
I can agree to disagree. That's OK too. It's what makes America what we are. I just don't think there is anyway a Kubota BX can outrun a Chevrolet 2500HD with a 7' plow on it.
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2004-10-19          98728

S_chrand, to toss my 2 bits in, I used an old Oliver 550 with a 3pt blade the last two years. You'll have to watch how big of a bite you take, but it works fine. I pulled the blade, not pushed. I have to watch how much rock the blade takes up as that can stop the tractor quickly. The person I bought the place from had used 1.5"-2" river rock instead of gravel for the top of the driveway. So that moves easily.

I use my FEL for the top section due to drifts and having to pile up the snow. The rest of the drive is using the blade. It works pretty good except the old Oliver can't handle deep, wet snow. 2 wheel drive. But the new 4wd JD4310 should handle it just fine.

A front mount blade might work out really nice for you. I'd love a front mount blower, but the rocks really mess those things up. I may try to get some concrete put in next spring before the baby shows up. Doubt I'll have time afterwards. ....

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2004-10-19          98730

I'm gonna agree with Murf on this one. When we had a rather deep snow (for our area) I heard accross the scanner of many a pick-ups with blades that were stuck. A friend of my wife's had a Kubota tractor with the cab and was constantly freeing the trucks plus keeping several lots cleaned off.

Alan,
During the same storm mentioned above, I had my old Kubota 7200 without a FEL and was using a blade pushing the snow backwards because it wouldn't pull it and broke one of the supports on the lift arms which rendered the tractor useless until it was fixed. Driving forward will work with very small amounts of snow. I found that if I turned the blade around like I was going to push but went forward it didn't dig in as bad and I could angle it and go through about 6" of snow. That amount would decrease if you pull with the blade in the correct position as it lifts the rear tires until you get no traction. My drive is only 220 feet long and I was having to plow it that way every couple of hours. If we got more snow I would definitely have a snowblower. ....

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2004-10-19          98733

chrand, the MMM lugs only provide for the "overturning" reactions that get translated to the middle of the tractor from the back of the sub-frame. The horizontal forces from plowing are primarily transfered directly into the front engine frame of the tractor. In addition, the blade has break-away springs similar to a truck setup that will allow the blade to trip if it hits a hard object. Any set up you come up with definitey should have a trip feature to protect the tractor from any impact loads.

I'll post pictures as soon as possible. A picture's worth a bunch of words. ....

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2004-10-19          98736

Alan, there's part of the problem, I'm in Canada, LOL.

OK, now you have changed the story, you said "Plus there is no way ANY tractor could keep up with the plow on the truck." Had you said "BX" instead of "any" I would have agreed with you.

If you were to put a comparable unit against a pickup you would see a big difference. Comparing a BX against a 7' blade on a 3/4 ton truck is like comparing a commercial FMM against a 19" Lawnboy. No contest.

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2004-10-19          98742

Beagle brings up an excellent point in his post.

Any time you are doing any kind of plowing, whether it's with a blade or the bucket, you must be sure that the equipment is protected from shock loads. In the summer that is fairly easy, a rock or stump in the soil will usually move enough to cushion, or come loose, when you strike it.

However, in the winter, even a small stone, or for that matter block of frozen whatever, will create enormous forces against the equipment when it is struck at any speed. Add to this the temptation to work quickly and get back into the warmth, and it could be an expensive 'oopsey'. It is also physically dangerous, a machine can stop suddenly or jump sideways in reaction to striking a frozen object, this can lead to whiplash or other injuries.

Believe me, when it's 20° outside and the snow is blowing, is NOT the time to break something.

Mind you I don't like breaking something when it's 72° and sunny either.... LOL.

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2004-10-19          98746

Murf - your knowledge & pionts are priceless & well worth the fee's of this site!! By the way - How did you get the trade mark sign on your " best of luck" ending? did you do that or did dennis? ....

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2004-10-19          98747

also ted - I want to use my grand L 3130 for commercial plowing this year. I have the skid steer mount with hydraulic lines run to the loader which i use for my grapple. What plow set up would you recommend to me. Bear in mind....i will be plowing all asphalt & will need to quickly put my laoder bucket back on from time to time to laod the sanders with sand / salt. ....

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2004-10-20          98800

No help from Dennis, I figger'ed it all by myself, same as the little ° for the degrees in reference to the temperature.

There are special codes for all the 'specialty' characters, such as with foreign languages, such as the new European money symbol €.

That way you can type 'Danke Schön' or 'Bitte Schön' or 'Möchtest du mit mir einen Kaffee trinken?' and get all the proper characters in there.

Mostly however I think it's best for making cute typed pictures Œ;-Þ}

As for the plow, we run all trip blade plows, not trip edge, that way when you lift the FEL a little to tip the blade down to scrape the edge doesn't just roll under all the time, it actually scrapes. I also like the poly plows better, ANY blade that far out adds a LOT of weight a long way out, a steel blade just makes the back that much lighter. Be sure to run a lot of rear counter-balnce, nearly max. for your tractor. Also, avoid the tempatation to put skid shoes on the mount and let all the weight off the FEL, you need the weight of the FEL over the front axle to maintain traction.

Thanks, for the comliment and please, feel free to pick what's left of my brain for anything else.

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2004-10-20          98806

Ok...i am looking at Snow wolf right now but it seems they only make trip edge. I agree the trip blade is better. What brand are you aware of that makes that style? As far as rear weight, I was going to use my backhoe. Did you have a better suggestion for rear weight? ....

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2004-10-20          98811

We use plows made up here called Arctic Snowplows, they are now owned by the cabadain division Monarch Hydraulics. They are very well designed & built and seem to stand up to years of use well.

I would recomend against the use of the B/H, but it depends on the sites you are working on. Personally I think they protrude too far out back and block to much vision. As I'm sure you know, the two things you can NEVER have enough of when plowing are light & vision.

We use 55 gal. poly barrels with a drawbar stuck through them (a little off-center) and then filled with concrete and scrap steel. This seems to work well because the weight is low, well back because the drawbar is off-center na ddoes not obstruct visibility. If you use the milky white ones they look very neat and professional when finished.

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2004-10-20          98819

For rear weight, many people make their own weight buckets that attach directly to the 3-point like what Murf described. Deere actually sells them. But if you are handy or have a budy that is handy, you could probably make one for less. People then fill them up with whatever is handy. Sand, rock, dirt, water (frozen in winter, just make sure it won't split your box), etc. The neat thing about a weight bucket is you can use whatever crap is laying around at the right price (ie: free). And as Murf pointed out, they are less bulky than a BH.

Also, if you made yours and you back it into something and damage the weight bucket, so what? Better than damaging the BH. ....

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2004-10-20          98820

As for the fancy symbols Murf uses, I use the ALT key plus a three number code. For communicating with a Mexican supplier, I often have to use the alt-161 combo to produce í. Alt-248 is °. I have a list, but it only goes up to 256 and I know there are more out there. You could probably do a google search. Ok? &▼▲↔↑ ....

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2004-10-20          98821

This discussion has come a long ways from snow in October:). ....

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2004-10-22          98994

This discussion is kind of like the kid game, were you tell one something and they pass it on and by the time it makes the circle its totally different than the starting subject.

I just got back from Salt Lake City yesterday afternoon. It rained the whole week with major snow accumulations in the higher elevations. The forecast for the valley today was light snow due to a cold front.

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2004-10-22          99020

It isn't THAT far from snow in October.....

It seems funny to me to hear someone from Kentucky saying "Bring it on." when referring to snow.

I was at the auction at Keeneland a few years back when the 'great blizzard' hit, it was hilarious for us Northerners to see a city come to a complete halt because of a little snow. I was staying at the Marriott across from the track and they were plowing the parking lot with a small dozer because that was the only thing they could find to do it. They had the National Guard out on the Interstate in their 6by's and stuff 'rescuing stranded motorists.

The ALT codes can be found on the link below.

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2004-10-22          99023

I hear ya Murf. When I lived in Florida for six months, there was a cold snap and the temperature was going to drop to 30° F at night. The radio was going nuts with the warning signs of frostbite, how to dress in layers, how to keep your pipes from freezing, etc. I couldn't help but laugh! Panic over being below freezing for a few hours...

In Wisconsin, or other northern states, we put on a sweatshirt and maybe a jacket when it gets that cold. ....

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2004-10-22          99025

Was doing a job in Louisevile a few years ago when a "blizzard hit" (approx. 2"). One Kentuckian's answer for improved traction for his pick-up truck was to put his tailgate down and have the wife sit on it while he drove down the highway. Now we were all moving pretty slow with the weather and all, but this seemed like an unlikely solution to me, although somewhat effective. She was a rather large women. ....

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2004-10-22          99029

Iowa, I hear ya', I have an uncle who lives halfway between LA & San Francisco, he closes his pool for the 'winter' because it gets down into the 50's and who would want to swim in weather like that!!!

He called up here to my place talk to his 'big sister' and to see how she was after having some tests done, since they were in the city they we're bunking with us. He got all upset when all he got was voicemail, he assumed that something had gone wrong. When we told him he got the VM because we were all in the pool he thought we were pulling his leg. He had checked the weather and it was only in the mid 40's here.

I agreed but said it was a nice night and the pool was warm, he thought we were NUTS. We enjoyed ourselves thoroughly.

Heck, the 30's overnight is only a lovely fall night.

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2004-10-22          99035

Murf, are you sure you were at Keeneland, the airport (Bluegrass Field) is across the highway from Keeneland. This allows all of the oil barons direct access to the track. The Marriott is located on Newtown Pike close to I-75 on the north side of town.

I don't mind snow. I have a company SUV and a personal SUV, therefore I can go most of the time. There is nothing like a fresh snowfall early in the morning. In February of '03 we had a bad ice storm, much worse than any snow.

Beagle,
You have been listening to Jeff Foxworthy. There are several places in Kentucky and other states, that you could find a woman riding in the back of a pickup.

Also, you spell it Louisville and say Louville.

Have a good weekend, Dave ....

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2004-10-22          99039

Dave, you're right, sort of, it was the Fairfield Inn, at 68 & 4, they are part of the Marriott chain.

I was going to leave the 'rather large woman' on the tailgate comment alone. I have seen stranger.

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2004-10-29          99454

Murf, check out my pictures 9 & 10. This is the ice storm of February 2003. This occurred on a Saturday night and just about shut down central Kentucky.

I am an engineer with an electric, water, & cable utility. We had about 5,000 customers out due to the downed trees and power lines. As a result I had to work over the weekend.

Most overhead conductors had 1 to 1.5 inches of ice buildup. We design for 0.5 inches which is consider heavy loading. However, according to the National Electric Safety Code we are located in the medium loading district which is 0.25 inches.

Who says winter isn't fun. Dave ....

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