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 06-26-2008, 07:59 Post: 154830
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Hi,
I'm going to be a first time tractor owner and would like to know which would be best for me. Ill mostly be hauling out cordwood on sloped lot as well as snow removal on paved driveway. I may rototill a small portion (1/2 acre).
The dealer's setting my tractor up now and says I want AG. Is that what I want?
I'm purchasing a Kabota L2800 w/fel & 3pth.
Anyone have an opinion about this model?






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 06-26-2008, 08:25 Post: 154834
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The downside to AG tires is that they leave tracks and tear up soft surfaces (including turf). The upside is better traction in snow (your case), mud, and soil. That's not to say you'd never need chains depending on conditions.

I had R4 industrial tires for a few months and replaced them with AG due to traction problems on sloped lots, softer and muddy soil, snow, and even dry, powdery clay soil. They're mostly good for hard surfaces, which is what they were designed for.

Some guys recommend turf in snow but it doesn't seem that they would do well in rough woods country.






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 06-26-2008, 08:40 Post: 154835
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Your dealer's right.

Tractors can tip easily, so when you're on those hilly areas, keep that bucket low.






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 06-26-2008, 08:55 Post: 154836
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Your dealer is right on his recommendations. The ag tires are the best for grabbing the ground on a side hill or is mud from continual travel. This is the worst of your conditions to deal with and they will work well with the tiller or as good as any of your three choices.
On a paved driveway you would find it hard to beat turf tires for snow removal! I put the ag's second there do to the inflexability of the industrial tires.
The industrials seem to be moving to the wayside a bit on the compacts as we just had two come in with industrials and the new tractors went out with turfs! Good feed back on the ride from the owners!






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 06-26-2008, 14:27 Post: 154842
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Thanks for the input. Unsure on a lot of the finer points and appreciate your help. thanks again. woodguy






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 06-27-2008, 08:30 Post: 154865
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Two posts above suggested turf tread gives more traction on snow. Where did that idea come from?






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 06-27-2008, 09:11 Post: 154866
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Not "on snow" but for doing snow removal on hard surfaces, hard-packed gravel, asphalt or concrete nothing will give you better traction than true turf tires will. Period.

In our case we have to run R4's because it says so in the contracts, but even the customers agree that they are a poor choice for the job.

IMHO the reason a lot of people want R4's is the same reason they 'need' a TLB, because it has that 'baby bulldozer' look. I've seen quite a few people buy that setup and within a few years trade it for a compact or sub-compact with turf tires and just a FEL.

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 06-27-2008, 12:53 Post: 154877
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Murf: "baby bulldozer"---do you mean "baby backhoe"?

The theory behind turfs on hardpacked snow or ice is the same as passenger car/truck tires: It's not the contact area or rubber on the road but the tread lugs' ability to capture and hold snow; in car tires it's referred to as siping. The captured snow creates adhesion resulting in traction.

IMHO rubber compound for these tires in this scenario isn't really an issue or a factor compared to car tires made for ice and snow, which can make a difference.






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 06-27-2008, 14:20 Post: 154880
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EW, IMHO the rubber compound is a huge part of the equation.

R4's are made from a very hard compound to make them better resist cuts, punctures and wear. Turf's on the other hand are made of a very soft rubber to allow them to flex and fold and to conform to a surface so as to exert as little force as possible on the ground.

In the winter R4's are as hard as nails. We performed an experiment as part of trying (unsuccessfully) to convince some of our customers to allow us to run tires other than R4's. We hooked a scale (designed for measuring a weight on a crane) to a chain, then to the pintle hook of a truck and measured how many pounds force the tractor could exert before the tires slipped on a smooth concrete floor in one of our storage sheds. The first try was at 75, both with R4's, and with turf's, on the same tractor. The second at 30, again with both types of tires on the same tractor.

The second test measured significantly lower readings with the R4's, more than 42% less force exerted in cold weather, compared to 8% less traction with the turf's on.

However, tire pressures make a big difference too, just raising or lowering the air pressure in a tire can make a huge difference in traction too.

Best of luck.






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 06-27-2008, 16:11 Post: 154887
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Hey Murf & Earthwrks,
You guy are truly dedicated tractor guys! All this info is great and being a carpenter by trade myself it still proves that no one tool is perfect for every situation or job. I'm going to stick w/ AGs for the woods stuff and take my chances in the snow. There's always chains and probably cheaper than changing tires for winter.
Thanks, Woodguy






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