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 03-08-2003, 15:27 Post: 50769
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 Garden Compact or small Ag tractor

Here is my dilemma: I have 2 acres of flat but unimproved land that I plan to build a fence, pole barn, and 1500 square foot modular house on this year. I have considered a Cub Cadet 3200 series garden tractor or the new JD G100 garden tractors for mowing, using a tiller, and a front blade plus pulling a dump cart. However, the thought crossed my mind that I could probably get a good used Kubota BX with a FEL, backhoe and a belly mower plus a box grader to add some flexibility and also maybe do my own land grading, spreading gravel/dirt, digging post holes, etc. A friend who has extensive experience as a tractor mechanic recently recommended taking a look at older Ford 2000 / 3000 series small Ag tractors, or the older Massey Ferguson 135/150 series or even the new Mahindra 3505 series tractors. My price range is around $8000 max, which I know won't even touch a used Kubota BX....so my dilemma is do I just say screw it, buy the "garden" tractor and contract out all the other stuff or go with a bigger machine that can do multiple jobs ??

And one last stupid question, can a Kubota BX series use a PTO-driven post-hole digger ??? ( Okay, I admit I'm a city boy who is about to move to the country Wink yeah right

Finally, any advice on the tractor dealers in the southern indiana area (I'm specifically interested in experiences with Jacobi Sales, Ray's Lawn & Garden, and Deb-Rae Inc.)
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Thanks, MIke in Marysville, Indiana 47141






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 03-08-2003, 15:42 Post: 50770
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You will find a small older AG tractor to be too large for your property and not versatile enough. Go the small compact tractor route. I think that you can get a new BX 1500 with mowing deck for about $1.2 K more than you want to spend (and there are good factory financing deals). Then you could always add a loader and implements as you can afford them. Or you can sometimes find good used compacts in that price range. Just get 4 wd whatever you do. And stay with brands that have local dealer support. My $0.02






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 03-08-2003, 17:23 Post: 50776
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Mike, before the compact's came along we used Farmall "H"'s Ford "8N's", they were in the 30hp. range to do smaller farm chores, they were great tractors, but the compacts with four wheel drive in the same hp. range will out manuver them in tight spots plus have a lot of creature comforts the older ones did'nt offer. If you're going to do your own landscaping, etc. you can afford the used compact. I don't think I've really heard of a compact that had good matinence that has been totaly worn out from ordinary use so would'nt be afraid of a used unit, I really think they have a lot more hours in tham than we realize. I would however stick with a major brand and a local dealer. One last point, don't even consider a tractor without 4 wheel drive, or you'll be right back to the "H" Farmall and "8N' Ford, "stuck all the time."






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 03-09-2003, 06:05 Post: 50796
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With your jobs in mind, I think I'd stick close to the 24hp range. A smaller one might not be adequate for some of the building ideas and might take longer than desirable for others. True enough that a 24 hp tractor on 2-acres can seem like a bull in a pen and heavier tractors aren't great for finish mowing but they will do a better job at getting the work done when it's needed.

In the country, sometimes the work needs to be done when a contractor is available. If somebody says they can come at a certain time that's often the only alternative and the next time may be a month later. If you can't get the preparation done in time it can delay projects for months.

Some jobs may be seriously limited by having a small tractor. Pole barn construction is an example. I think 4' 12" holes are adequate for many structures but 5' 14" holes are better. Mark identified an auger for a BX but its depth was limited to 3' without extensions. I forget if it could take a 12" bit. Another example is trenching. Electrical codes may require 4' trenches, and well lines are deeper in some areas. A small tractor may not manage a hoe that's big enough to do the work. Maybe material handling is another example. Materials that are delivered on pallets can be too heavy for a small tractor. Taking pallets apart and moving the material piece by piece while a tractor is sitting around isn't very satisfying.

Despite all the bigger tractor stuff, I'd keep in mind that construction usually takes only a couple of years and then there can be an over-sized tractor left lumbering around the yard for decades. We ended up keeping a riding mower for finish mowing because it's faster than maneuvering the tractor around bushes and buildings, but the tractor is the right size for most other work.






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 03-10-2003, 16:10 Post: 50897
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Well......usually I'm the one saying go for the Utility tractor over the CUT. But this time I think I'll switch,and say look for a CUT to fit your land size. Seeing as how you are limited in $$$$ I'd look for a good clean gray market tractor.






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 03-10-2003, 18:11 Post: 50909
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Woodbeef,you used the term "Gray Market Tractor", sometimes I can be a little thick in the shell, and probably should know, but what the heck is a gray market tractor?






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 03-10-2003, 19:38 Post: 50917
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Technically a "Gray" is a tractor that was not intended to be sold in North America,but has been imported here as a used tractor. Iseki,Yanmar,Hinomoto,Shibaura,etc are all gray market tractors. Most are also sold badge-engineered by a major brand here in N.A. There are some models to stay away from,but most are just as good as is sold by the majors at a much lower price. Email me for more info.I can not post the link I wanted to for you,it will not allow me to do it.






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 03-09-2004, 15:06 Post: 79334
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 03-09-2004, 16:30 Post: 79343
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Mike,
I have a very nice compact tractor with 24hp.4 wheel drive & a new Koyker loader in your price range. give me a call at 989-269-8849
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 03-15-2004, 17:41 Post: 79974
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Hey Mike. Just made the mistake you are thinking about. Bought a GT 245 with 54" mower and 42" snow blower in August. Just traded it in today for a JD 4010 54"mmm& FEL. I too thought the compacts were to much $$$ last summer. But after a aggravating winter of getting stuck and tasting snow from the blower I opted to trade and upgrade. For the amount you are going to spend on a garden tractor UPGRADE to a compact. Even if it a bit old or used they still can mow the lawn with ease and take on many other chores on your property!!!

I lost about $2500-3000 having to trade in my garden tractor. it was a great tractor ( 20hp gas) but is meant more for paved driveways on estate lots. In hind sight I wish I would have spend the dough in the first place! Expensive lesson to learn!


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