Loader for digging : Loaders  -- Tractor Attachments Implements 3ph Discussion Forum and Review Loader for digging : Loaders -- Tractor Attachments Implements 3ph Discussion Forum

  parts   |   manuals   |   discussion   |   photos   |   podcast   |   reviews   |   specs   |   dealers   |   classifieds   |   contact   |   faq   |   myProfile   |   home          Login Now | Sign Up


FAQ:   What is a tractor?

Forum Index

Kubota Tractors
  Kubota News
  Kubota Price
  Kubota Review
John Deere Tractors
  John Deere News
  John Deere Price
  John Deere Review
New Holland Tractors
  New Holland Tractor Price
  New Holland Tractor Revie
Other Tractor Brands
  Articulated Tractors
  Belarus
  Bobcat Tractors
  Case
  Cub Cadet
  Hinomoto
  Kioti Tractor
  Long
  Massey Ferguson
  Mitsubishi
  Other Tractor Brands
  Other Tractor News
  Shibaura
  Yanmar Tractors
Lawn and Garden Tractors
  Craftsman
  Cub Cadet Garden
  John Deere Garden
  Kubota Lawn Garden
  Other Garden Tractors
  Simplicity
  Toro Wheelhorse
  Ventrac Lawn Tractors
Antique Tractors
  Allis Chalmers
  Case David Brown
  Farmall IHC
  Ford
  Ford 9N 2N 8N
  Fordson
  Harry Ferguson
  John Deere Older
  Massey-Harris Ferguson
  Minneapolis Moline
  Oliver Cletrac Cockshutt
  Restoration
  Tractor Pulling
Tractor Attachments Implements 3ph
  Back Hoe
  Field Mowers Brush Cutter
  Grooming Mowers Finish Mo
  Loaders
  Snowblowers / Snow Plows
  Tillers and Ploughs
  Tractor Implements
  Trenchers
  Wood Chippers 3PH
Tractor Maintenance
  Diesel Fuel Lubrication E
  Tractor Engine Repair Reb
  Tractor Tires
Utility ATV
  All Terrain Vehicles
  John Deere Gator
  Mule Utility Vehicles
General Tractor
  Farming Ranching Agricult
  Photo Contest
  Size Tractor Needed
  Tractor Projects
  Tractor Safety
  Welding
Chinese Tractors
  Jinma Farmpro Agracat
  NorTrac Tractors
  Other Chinese Tractors
Cars
  All Brands
  Audi VW
  BMW
  Car Tires and Maintenance
  Chrysler
  Exotic, Sports, Racing
  Ford Cars
  General Motors
  Honda
  Hyundai
  Mercedes
  News
  Nissan
  Subaru
  SUV and Trucks
  Toyota Cars
Trucks Trailers
  Chevy Pickup Trucks
  Dodge Pickup Trucks
  Ford Pickup Trucks
  Toyota Pickup Trucks
  Chevy Pickup Trucks
  Dodge Pickup Trucks
  Ford Pickup Trucks
  Toyota Pickup Trucks
Home Building
  Alternate Electric Energy
  Barns Pole Barns
  Buying Ranch Farm Acreage
  Carpentry
  Contractors
  Electric
  Excavation
  Moldings Finish Trim
  Other Home Building
  Pellet Stoves
  Plumbing
  Wood Stoves
Tools
  Electirc Power Tools
  Gas Power Tools
  Generators
  Shop Tools
  Techniques Howto
Landscape
  Flowers Shrubs Garden
  Golf Course Maintenance
  Irrigation Systems
  Landscape Design
  Landscape Lighting
  Landscape Maintenance
  Lawn, Turf, and Grass
  Vegetable Gardening
Construction
  Caterpillar
  Komatsu
  Wheel Loaders
Current Events Health Happiness
  Current Events
  Dogs and other Pets
  Electronics And Computers
  Food
  Health
  Just For Fun Off Topic
  Movies Music Games
  Personal Finance Investme
  Sports Outdoors
Tractorpoint Site
  Member Photos
  Site Members
  Website Operations Howto


New As Posted | Active Subjects



Click to Post a New Message!

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Loaders Forum

Page [ 1 ] | 2 | | Next >>
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo
 11-26-2003, 05:58 Post: 69660
imtools



Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ridge, NY
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 34

3
Filter by User
 Loader for digging

I have been under the assumption that a FEL is not really meant for digging (penetrating un-tilled ground). Is this so? Unlike a skid steer where the arms rest against the frame of the machine when they are in the lowest position, a FEL has no support like that and the typical arm is "bent" over the front wheel which is a weak point when trying to push forward.

After loosing out on a Kubota loader attachment last nite on eBay, I am determined to design and build my own loader (I am a mechancial engineer with an extensive home machine shop so there's not much problem here other than time). I don't see why I couldn't have the bucket rest against the frame when down. I am also thinking of putting a quick attach plate on it so it can take skid steer attachments. Just think of it-all the 3-point attachments for the back AND all the skid steer attachments for the front---my back yard will be covered by attachments.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 11-26-2003, 06:56 Post: 69667
TomG

TP Contributor

Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Upper Ottawa Valley
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5406

5
Filter by User
 Loader for digging

Your screen name does forecast your inclinations, or maybe imtoys would work too. In either case the idea sounds pretty good.

My tractor is fairly traditional and it doesn't have a frame per se. There are side rails on the engine but the structure really is the cases. My loader frame does a decent job of distributing load but I suppose there could be better designs and it would be interesting to think about.

Here are some random thoughts. One of the problems on a tractor is that long arms are needed so the bucket clears the front tires and hood and also so the bucket can be lifted fairly high without it coming back over the tractor hood. Can't dump a load if the bucket's over the hood. Anything that the bucket rested against when down likely would have to be a structure that extended distance forward. That might interfere with some loading dock sorts of operations. You sort of have to kiss the dock with the rad guard to get the bucket high enough to clear and still be over the dock or flat-bed. There may be some drawbacks but anything that stabilized the bucket against off-center shocks (there are buried rocks and they get hit) would be good.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 11-26-2003, 07:11 Post: 69668
TomG

TP Contributor

Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Upper Ottawa Valley
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5406

5
Filter by User
 Loader for digging

Guess I never commented on the main question--typical I think. I never though of loaders as very good for digging although they are used. Tractors were originally called 'mechanical mules' and that sort of sums up their design for me. As a mule replacement, they were designed to deliver draft and that's still what they do best. Anytime I can get work done with draft that's what I choose.

Somewhere along the line marketers seems to get the idea that a tractor could be turned into a general mobile power source and one machine could be everything. Even with modern design any use other than draft can still be thought of as compromising basic design. Draft is still what they deliver best and features such as loaders to some extent can be thought of as 'cludged together add ons' that detract from basic function. On the other hand, I wouldn't have a tractor if all I could do with it is pull things so the marketers were successful in my case.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 11-27-2003, 06:24 Post: 69759
imtools



Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ridge, NY
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 34

3
Filter by User
 Loader for digging

TomG
Your points are well taken

My intent was to have nothing stick forward of the foremost point of the tractor itself. I could either put the 'brace to the frame' on the loader or another thought I had was to put another hydraulic cylinder on the tractor that could used as an adjustable stop, allowing me to fine tune the digging depth.

As far as reaching to dump at higher levels than ground, it is largely a function of how high the rear pivot point for the arms are.

I also intend to make it a self leveling bucket and reverse the linkage so that tilting the bucket back uses the push action of the cylinder rather than the pull action.

Finally, while I'm going to all this trouble, I'm going to design a clamshell bucket.

Don't hold your breath for pictures-it'll take a couple of months.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 11-27-2003, 06:26 Post: 69760
imtools



Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ridge, NY
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 34

3
Filter by User
 Loader for digging

P.S.
IMTOOLS is my eBay ID.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 11-27-2003, 09:10 Post: 69780
shortmagnum

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Wisconsin
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 848
 Loader for digging

IM, I like the idea of the push action of the ram on the bucket curl. There is alot more surface area on the end of the piston for greater force. In another thread there is discussion of using the bucket curl to rip out stumps after you push the tree over. I've been doing quite a bit of this lately and it's been my experience that this operation is the one that could use plenty of force.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 11-28-2003, 03:15 Post: 69816
osheen



Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: sw washington
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 12
 Loader for digging

I'm going to build a clam shell bucket too. Or rig up some sort of thumb on the bucket actuated by another cylinder. Similar to the thumb on an excavator bucket. I want to be able to grab brush and stumps.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 11-28-2003, 04:58 Post: 69821
grinder

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: central Maine
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 677
 Loader for digging

Your right, the Front End Loader it not meant to dig, it's
for Loading. Back hoes are for digging.
You should spend some time in the seat,since you are new to tractors,before you redesign it.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 11-28-2003, 07:17 Post: 69830
TomG

TP Contributor

Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Upper Ottawa Valley
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5406

5
Filter by User
 Loader for digging

I recall seeing pictures of old style loaders on old farm tractors. Some of the designs seem a little bizarre with frames built over the hood. I think the loader arm pivots were quite high and maybe even above the hood. I imagine these were trip loaders. I don't know how down-pressure would affect the design or if stability would be a problem. They probably do have shorter arms than lower pivots. A thought I had is that if the pivots were high it probably would bring the bucket closer to the tractor at ground level but then it wouldn't go much below ground level. I have seen some loaders on big tractors that seem to be intended for excavating and the buckets go quite a ways below the surface.

I'm for playing around with design possibilities but the idea is what is reasonable to do with the basic tractor structure. I sure agree that loaders aren't the best for grading let alone excavating. From my perspective (which isn't engineering so I can't actually design things), backhoes too are 'cludged together' add-ons that just don't compare to the structures of dedicated hoes but some types of work ets done just fine. If I understand why the basic cast-case tractor design is so persistent, it's that more strength can be gotten from less weight. That creates less soil compacting problems for ag work and still allows ballast to be piled on when more traction is needed. However, the cast structure is less tolerant to 'jack-knifing' stress than other designs.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 11-28-2003, 07:52 Post: 69833
Art White



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Waterville New York
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 6850
 Loader for digging

First line of caution is to try and keep some forward visibility. All to often the strongest design lends to other complications of the operation.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo


Page [ 1 ] | 2 | | Next >>

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Loaders Forum

Thread 69660 Filter by Poster:
Art White 1 | beagle 1 | cj2002b 1 | CraigC 1 | drcjv. 1 | grinder 1 | horse_guy 1 | imtools 3 | oneace 1 | osheen 1 | shortmagnum 1 | TomG 5 |

 (advanced search)

Picture of the Day
pauljmtz

Other Tractor Brands - Foton ft404 black diesel splat out of exhaust
Foton ft404 black diesel splat out of exhaust


Unanswered Questions

Shibaura SD2203 rear axle oil
Mitsubishi MX55
Gator HPX ignition module
SL 1643
Removing LHS rear wheel beari
Gear Grinding 1200A - primary
Replacing a friction diskwashe
Bolens k1502 mitsubishi K3 ove


Active Subjects

Big country 4x2 utility vehicl
Operation
lift cylinder for 3pt hitch wo
Still have jerk in hydro
Flatulent gifts human and dog
front mount snowblower
Hydraulics Won t Work
4210 ehydro codes


Hot Topics

NorTrac Tractor Quality Review
Case 446 hydraulic pump
Long 460 hydraulic problem
Jinma Tractor w transmission p
Flatulent gifts human and dog
Generator set up ideas wanted
6X4 Gator Sometimes Shudders
Roof VP75 Brush Mower Manual


Featured Suppliers

Mountain Creek Labradoodles
      MountainCreekLabradoodles.com





New Forums on Gun Sport Shooting and Hunting -- BarrelPoint.com  New Forums on Horses ManePoint.com
Talk Horses at ManePoint
Hunting + Gun Sports at BarrelPoint



Most Viewed

+ Front End Loader for Honda 5518 Multi-Purpose Trac
+ Problem Connecting Hydraulic Hoses
+ 7108 Loader
+ Great Bend Loader
+ Best way to free a seized pivot bolt joint
+ LA302 Kubota Loader
+ Standard or self-leveling 541 loader for JD5320
+ FEL Leak Down
+ Loader Buddy
+ Cylinder seal replacement

Most Discussion

+ Best way to free a seized pivo
+ I am frustrated with my loader
+ Loader Buddy
+ Loaders What would you ch
+ FEL Leak Down
+ Kubota loader installation
+ Woods vs Kubota Loaders
+ my hydraulics quit working
+ NH 7308 Loader
+ 410 material bucket to big

Newest Topics

+ Best o-rings for hydraulic quick connects
+ Kubota B6200HST Compatible Loader
+ Hydraulic Gremlins
+ 14 LA Loader
+ 14 LA Loader
+ 7308 Loader
+ Tips for First time FEL or Front End Loader users
+ FEL level Indicators Ideas
+ New Holland 1925 Loader 7308 or Third Party Option
+ JD 420 loader toothbar
















Turbochargers for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Cab Glass for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Alternators for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Radiators for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Driveline Components for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Starter Motors for Tractors and Industrial Machines