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 10-05-2002, 04:42 Post: 43393
Jim H
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 410 material bucket to big

Just took possion of a JD-4110/HST/R-4, 410-FEL, 60-MMM, 54"-Front Plow. I ordered a 53" bucket (middle of the road).Came with 63" bucket. Should I return for the 53". I plan on using for routine yard maintenance, top soil, mulch, back saving lifting. Im not sure if the large bucket is to big for what I plan on using it for. I always thought bigger is better?
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 10-05-2002, 09:03 Post: 43405
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That is a BIG bucket for a small tractor.
The 48-inch bucket (actually measures 49"Wink yeah right holds 6 cu ft so this one probably holds 7.75 cu ft. That is a 30 percent increase in volume and therefore weight.
Your R-4's are the right tires for this as they can take the extra weight up front if you keep 'em inflated to the max.
You will need to keep the rear ballast near max too, something along the lines of loaded tires or wheel weights PLUS 700-800# on the rear end.
The only place a big bucket might come in handy for you is if you are going to move snow with it, but it sounds like you have the front blade for that.
I guess there are more downsides than upsides; I would get a smaller bucket. I have not felt like I have needed more than the 48, and I have moved 45 yards of top soil with it in a single afternoon.
Keep in mind though; even with the smaller bucket this tractor still needs some serious ballast to operate safely.






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 10-05-2002, 10:42 Post: 43410
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It is always easier to grade with a bucket that is wider than the tractor tires. The smaller bucket would keep from overloading the front end as it won't hold as much but you should not get a bucket that is narrower than the tractor tires. I've had people ask me to sell them that way and than they will want to move up after they get the tractor to a larger bucket.






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 10-05-2002, 17:42 Post: 43427
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Art, the max tire width on the model in question is 45".






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 10-06-2002, 02:41 Post: 43435
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Jim, my 4100 uses a 410 w/ 48" bucket for similar uses and am glad I've a smaller bucket. The smaller bucket means a few more trips, it's safer. Less likely to tip. Dirt isn't always dry, and rocks weigh even more. I'd use a larger bucket only if I was always moving light material on perfectly level ground.






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 10-06-2002, 06:19 Post: 43437
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 410 material bucket to big

I'm happy I waited to respond till there was some actual 4100/10 experience here. The responses bear out my impressions. I have a 5' bucket on my 24 pto ho/ 3,000 lbs. tractor. I think of the bucket as a bit small for the tractor but not by much.

I think Art's comment about grading should be remembered. If the loader is the only grading tool, certainly having a bucket that covers the rear wheel tracks is desirable. A case can be made that even wider is better. However, wider also produces less lbs./sq./in. when using the bucket bottom to compact soil or gravel. I use my box scraper for grading but still use the loader for compacting gravel. A wide bucket on a light tractor might not compact as well.

One thing about bigger buckets is that heavier loads produce more wear-and-tear on the drive train. True, but there is an assumption that bigger buckets equal more weight. A person doesn't always have to pick up a full load of wet gravel just because a big bucket is there. A bit of operating technique can keep the loads down and minimize stalling the hydraulics. With a bit of discipline and technique, a person should be able to have the advantages of a bigger bucket and avoid the downsides as well. However, I'm not so sure about my discipline and technique so a small bucket probably is better for me.






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 10-06-2002, 09:03 Post: 43445
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Tom, you are right that it takes an operator to know that he cannot lift all that you can put in the bucket. We sell many skid steers to farmers that use them for silage and manure and one is loose and light and the manure is elusive as far as it is normally liquid so you cannnot catch that much. When the go to level a drive way with these big buckets they can't movce after loading them with gravel or we take them out after trade in we often have to put the smaller capicity construction buckets on because everyone has to fill the bucket once!






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 10-06-2002, 23:43 Post: 43471
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I have a 4100 with a 49" bucket. It will lift a full bucket of sand, dirt or gravel no problem. I wish that I had the 54" bucket, it seems right-the 60" bucket seems too large for digging with this tractor. The extra capacity would be great for light weight material like snow, pine needles, mulch, etc... You can always reduce the amount of material that you load if you're working with heavy items, but the extra capacity is oh so nice for lighter material. I find that most material that I move really isn't all that heavy just bulky and the small 49" bucket really doesn't hold very much. I actually kept my 3PH scoop after I discovered how little material the 49" bucket holds. So now when I move lots of material, I fill the rear scoop first and then the loader bucket. This effectively doubles my capacity.






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 10-07-2002, 09:09 Post: 43494
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My 4100 came with the 60" bucket. With a heavy back blade mounted, the machine was well balanced for most any use. Actually, the mechanic was quite surprised that JD used such a large bucket on a small machine and warned me against overloading it. As long as you use your head, there should be no problem with it though. I would not have loaded it full of rocks and driven down a rough trail at full throttle either, as mentioned, the front end is not that heavily constructed nor very wide and you could possibly cause damage, not to mention an accident or injury. The reason I wanted the larger one is for moving snow in the winter and carrying leaves and brances during fall/spring cleanup, all fairly light bulky fare. As Tom stated, you can have the best of both worlds with the larger capacity bucket and that 20hp tractor lets you know if you are trying to lift too much (at least mind did). I can tell you that I owned that machine during the last blizzard in this area and it was used extensively to push back snow piles, it worked great with that 60" bucket and the turning brakes on the left side so you could actually use them with the hydo transmission.






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Just to give some feedback after reading about the risks of having too large of a bucket, I specifically addressed this with the dealer when my 410 FEL was installed on the 4100.
It was clear from all personal there that the 4100 can handle a 61" bucket w/410 FEL. I went with that statement
with no second guessing. I have since loaded that bucket to its max with wet dirt, rocks & concrete, stumps and everything in between. Once full It never showed any signs of strain or overloading. Of course I had enough ballast in the rear ( 700 lbs free weights in ballast box plus Loaded tires)and I never had it extended to its max height ( Didnt need to)..is this causing any undue strain? I see no reason to think so..
I hope this helps someone with their decisions. I have to say without this web site, I would have made all the wrong choices. I now feel 100 % confident in the machine and my abilities. The advice here is the best and eliminates the error a "newbie" can make. I thank you all for the education and advice !!






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