Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland : Loaders  -- Tractor Attachments Implements 3ph Discussion Forum and Review Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland : Loaders -- Tractor Attachments Implements 3ph Discussion Forum

  parts   |   manuals   |   discussion   |   photos   |   podcast   |   reviews   |   specs   |   dealers   |   classifieds   |   contact   |   faq   |   myProfile   |   home          Login Now | Sign Up


FAQ:   What is a tractor?

Forum Index

Kubota Tractors
  Kubota News
  Kubota Price
  Kubota Review
John Deere Tractors
  John Deere News
  John Deere Price
  John Deere Review
New Holland Tractors
  New Holland Tractor Price
  New Holland Tractor Revie
Other Tractor Brands
  Articulated Tractors
  Belarus
  Bobcat Tractors
  Case
  Cub Cadet
  Hinomoto
  Kioti Tractor
  Long
  Massey Ferguson
  Mitsubishi
  Other Tractor Brands
  Other Tractor News
  Shibaura
  Yanmar Tractors
Lawn and Garden Tractors
  Craftsman
  Cub Cadet Garden
  John Deere Garden
  Kubota Lawn Garden
  Other Garden Tractors
  Simplicity
  Toro Wheelhorse
  Ventrac Lawn Tractors
Antique Tractors
  Allis Chalmers
  Case David Brown
  Farmall IHC
  Ford
  Ford 9N 2N 8N
  Fordson
  Harry Ferguson
  John Deere Older
  Massey-Harris Ferguson
  Minneapolis Moline
  Oliver Cletrac Cockshutt
  Restoration
  Tractor Pulling
Tractor Attachments Implements 3ph
  Back Hoe
  Field Mowers Brush Cutter
  Grooming Mowers Finish Mo
  Loaders
  Snowblowers / Snow Plows
  Tillers and Ploughs
  Tractor Implements
  Trenchers
  Wood Chippers 3PH
Tractor Maintenance
  Diesel Fuel Lubrication E
  Tractor Engine Repair Reb
  Tractor Tires
Utility ATV
  All Terrain Vehicles
  John Deere Gator
  Mule Utility Vehicles
General Tractor
  Farming Ranching Agricult
  Photo Contest
  Size Tractor Needed
  Tractor Projects
  Tractor Safety
  Welding
Chinese Tractors
  Jinma Farmpro Agracat
  NorTrac Tractors
  Other Chinese Tractors
Cars
  All Brands
  Audi VW
  BMW
  Car Tires and Maintenance
  Chrysler
  Exotic, Sports, Racing
  Ford Cars
  General Motors
  Honda
  Hyundai
  Mercedes
  News
  Nissan
  Subaru
  SUV and Trucks
  Toyota Cars
Trucks Trailers
  Chevy Pickup Trucks
  Dodge Pickup Trucks
  Ford Pickup Trucks
  Toyota Pickup Trucks
  Chevy Pickup Trucks
  Dodge Pickup Trucks
  Ford Pickup Trucks
  Toyota Pickup Trucks
Home Building
  Alternate Electric Energy
  Barns Pole Barns
  Buying Ranch Farm Acreage
  Carpentry
  Contractors
  Electric
  Excavation
  Moldings Finish Trim
  Other Home Building
  Pellet Stoves
  Plumbing
  Wood Stoves
Tools
  Electirc Power Tools
  Gas Power Tools
  Generators
  Shop Tools
  Techniques Howto
Landscape
  Flowers Shrubs Garden
  Golf Course Maintenance
  Irrigation Systems
  Landscape Design
  Landscape Lighting
  Landscape Maintenance
  Lawn, Turf, and Grass
  Vegetable Gardening
Construction
  Caterpillar
  Komatsu
  Wheel Loaders
Current Events Health Happiness
  Current Events
  Dogs and other Pets
  Electronics And Computers
  Food
  Health
  Just For Fun Off Topic
  Movies Music Games
  Personal Finance Investme
  Sports Outdoors
Tractorpoint Site
  Member Photos
  Site Members
  Website Operations Howto


New As Posted | Active Subjects



Click to Post a New Message!

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Loaders Forum

Page [ 1 ] | 2 | | Next >>
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo
 09-02-2006, 15:42 Post: 133920
earthwrks

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3853

2
Filter by User
 Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

I saw a Montana CUT about the same size as my NH TC33D (33hp) that had a FEL with curved loader arms seemingly identical to the late-model NH version. Anyone know if they are the same or who makes the loader?






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-02-2006, 18:02 Post: 133922
bloggins



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Kingston, Ontario
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 99
 Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

My CASE LX110 curved arm loader is made in Canada and CNH only has one plant in Canada, that being in Saskatoon where they make seed planting machines and sprayers. So, it looks like they out source to some other firm with a Canadian plant. The Aussie LX110 curved arm loader is built in Australia to the same design (this according to the Aussie dealer website). It's a mystery.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-02-2006, 22:29 Post: 133924
Peters

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Northern AL
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3034

4
Filter by User
 Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

On boy, this sounds like a question for Murf. Ezee-On, Leon, Bulher Allied, Frey, JD in Welland, I don't know of anyone making a curved armed loader, but one model of Leon and they only make one loader in their line the M2000 and it is very light. Bulher has the best relations with NH as they manufacture the larger genisis tractors in Blue paint, but they do not sell the Allied loaders with the NH design. Murf?






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-05-2006, 08:38 Post: 133964
Murf



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 7044

4
Filter by User
 Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

I can't say for sure, but the rumour is they are being made by Buhler, it would make sense since there are a lot of Ag. manufacturers up here, but very few with the engineering and production capabilities of Buhler.

I'm told they are being made under contract, the terms of which forbid Buhler from selling them directly, as Allied, they're own brand, but they are allowed to sell them to other OEM companies.

I'm also told BTW, that a certain off-shore CUT bearing these FEL's is being imported by a company owned by one of the "big boys" an interesting twist if true.

Best of luck.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-05-2006, 09:09 Post: 133966
kwschumm



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NW Oregon
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5764
 Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

Is there any advantage to the curved arm loaders over the boxier style other than looks and maybe visibility?






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-05-2006, 09:50 Post: 133969
Murf



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 7044

4
Filter by User
 Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

Ken, it is a combination of two things, IMHO.

First, esthetics and sales BS, they claim better visibility, etc., but not having ever been on a machine so equipped I cannot say much about this part.

Secondly, strength, since the curved beam is not available as an extruded tube like a conventional FEL is made from, the beams are fabricated by welding 4 pieces of cut plate steel into a curved box beam. This means they can avoid the traditional gusseted joint between two seperate pieces of tube in a 'normal' FEL.

While this second point is true, it is also misleading, again IMHO, since the strength of a FEL is almost always FAR in excess of whatever forces the machine under it can introduce into it. The exception being something like a dead weight being dropped into the bucket, or hitting something while making a charge into something. In every case where I have seen a FEL damaged from either of these actions, it was NEVER the joint which bent, it was always the longer main tube which racked. IMHO, a single longer curved tube would be even more likely, if they were of equal strength, to bend under an over-stress situation.

Best of luck.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-05-2006, 10:43 Post: 133974
Peters

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Northern AL
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3034

4
Filter by User
 Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

Murf; Not being a mechanical engineer, is there not an inherent greater strength in the arch rather than the box beam? I guess I should learn more about finite element analysis.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-05-2006, 10:45 Post: 133975
yooperpete



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Northern Michigan
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1413
 Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

I've always been told that the curved beam loaders have greater visibility. Yea, they are stuck way out in front of the front tires. I'm told they do not have the same (actual) lift capacity although they are rated the same.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-05-2006, 10:50 Post: 133977
Murf



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 7044

4
Filter by User
 Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

Eric, a curve or circle is one of the strongest shapes in nature, witness an egg shell, or the famous Roman Arch.

But in this case it is not so much the strength of the curved beam vs the straight beam, it is elimination of a joint, which is typically a weak spot.

However, as I stated earlier, they add so much steel to the joint, that it ends up actually being stronger than the plain tubes it is joining.

Best of luck.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-05-2006, 10:52 Post: 133978
earthwrks

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3853

2
Filter by User
 Montana curved-arm loader will it fit New Holland

Murf: For clarity, extruded steel tubing is referred to as "seamless" or "DOM" (drawn over mandrel). This stuff is very expensive. Aluminum tubing is typically extruded too since it's easy to melt and form. From my experience, what is used for loaders is the typical and commonplace "welded seam" which starts as flat sheet formed with rollers.

The Montana curved arms I saw were bent, welded-seam tubing. From a design amd build standpoint, the mfg's are saving huge tool and die costs, not to mention simplified assembly. I think it's pretty cool actually. Curved arms ahve been around since the 50's---I've seen some on 8N's made in Ohio.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo


Page [ 1 ] | 2 | | Next >>

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Loaders Forum

Thread 133920 Filter by Poster:
Art White 2 | bloggins 1 | earthwrks 2 | kwschumm 1 | Murf 4 | oneace 1 | Peters 4 | yooperpete 1 |

 (advanced search)

Picture of the Day
DennisCTB

Plumbing - Outside Yard Hydrant water problem
Outside Yard Hydrant water problem


Unanswered Questions

Shibaura SD2203 rear axle oil
Mitsubishi MX55
Gator HPX ignition module
SL 1643
Removing LHS rear wheel beari
Gear Grinding 1200A - primary
Replacing a friction diskwashe
Bolens k1502 mitsubishi K3 ove


Active Subjects

Big country 4x2 utility vehicl
Operation
lift cylinder for 3pt hitch wo
Still have jerk in hydro
Flatulent gifts human and dog
front mount snowblower
Hydraulics Won t Work
4210 ehydro codes


Hot Topics

NorTrac Tractor Quality Review
Case 446 hydraulic pump
Long 460 hydraulic problem
Jinma Tractor w transmission p
Flatulent gifts human and dog
Generator set up ideas wanted
6X4 Gator Sometimes Shudders
Roof VP75 Brush Mower Manual


Featured Suppliers

Mountain Creek Labradoodles
      MountainCreekLabradoodles.com





New Forums on Gun Sport Shooting and Hunting -- BarrelPoint.com  New Forums on Horses ManePoint.com
Talk Horses at ManePoint
Hunting + Gun Sports at BarrelPoint



Most Viewed

+ Front End Loader for Honda 5518 Multi-Purpose Trac
+ Problem Connecting Hydraulic Hoses
+ 7108 Loader
+ Great Bend Loader
+ Best way to free a seized pivot bolt joint
+ LA302 Kubota Loader
+ Standard or self-leveling 541 loader for JD5320
+ FEL Leak Down
+ Loader Buddy
+ Cylinder seal replacement

Most Discussion

+ Best way to free a seized pivo
+ I am frustrated with my loader
+ Loader Buddy
+ Loaders What would you ch
+ FEL Leak Down
+ Kubota loader installation
+ Woods vs Kubota Loaders
+ my hydraulics quit working
+ NH 7308 Loader
+ 410 material bucket to big

Newest Topics

+ Best o-rings for hydraulic quick connects
+ Kubota B6200HST Compatible Loader
+ Hydraulic Gremlins
+ 14 LA Loader
+ 14 LA Loader
+ 7308 Loader
+ Tips for First time FEL or Front End Loader users
+ FEL level Indicators Ideas
+ New Holland 1925 Loader 7308 or Third Party Option
+ JD 420 loader toothbar
















Turbochargers for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Cab Glass for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Alternators for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Radiators for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Driveline Components for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Starter Motors for Tractors and Industrial Machines