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 12-29-2003, 07:37 Post: 72548
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Hi all, I'm new to this stuff and looking for some help with a few questions regarding tractors.

HST vs Manual, which is best for plowing fields, FEL work, I have 15 acres and will be planting around 3-4 acres, very sandy soil in mid Michigan.

Next question, size of tractor, I like the NH TC33D and the JD 4410, I haven't looked at orange yet but will soon. I have a friend that keeps telling me that I need at least the JD4510, he is partial to green paint. I like the NH the best but still have some investigating.

Any opinions?






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 12-29-2003, 08:01 Post: 72550
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Raynman,
Most everyone here seems partial to the hydro transmission. I still like my shuttle shift. Our soil in northern Wisconsin is also very sandy and easy to plow. My old Ford 9N has no problem pulling a two bottom plow so I would doubt that you would NEED the horsepower of even the 4410. However, depending on the type and amount of work you have for the FEL, you might like the higher horsepower of the two you're interested in. Don't forget to look at orange. Smile






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 12-29-2003, 08:01 Post: 72552
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Manual is direct drive- more hp. to the ground. Hst. is ran thru the pumps less hp. to the ground with the equal hp. rating of the same tractor






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 12-29-2003, 08:10 Post: 72554
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Don't just set you eyes on the big guy colors. Venture out into the other tractor markets as well. If nothing for nothing at least you gained some more info on whats out there. Check out the MAHINDRA and KIOTI lines.






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 12-29-2003, 08:45 Post: 72556
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 HST vs Manual and size of tractor

Hydro will surely be the best for loader work,faster and more user friendly, but for ground breaking gear would be the way to go. sounds like your going to be doing more ground then loader work so I'm thinking gear would be the good choice. ( That's my opion. ) Also the more weight and HP seem to go good for ground breaking.






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 12-29-2003, 09:10 Post: 72558
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Thanks for the info, I do plan on venturing out of the big 3 and looking at others.
I won't be buying for a few months so I have time and just want to get as much info as possible.






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 12-30-2003, 15:05 Post: 72703
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 HST vs Manual and size of tractor

I have a NH 33D HST and love it. I use it commercially. HST compared to manual as far as getting the job done quickly HST is about 30% quicker--no shifting especially nice when doing a lot of backing for loader work. The ability to inch forward/backward under power is better too. Also, with the TC-"D"- series you get an electro/ mechanical cruise control which is really nice for mowing and plowing. I'm in SE Michigan and I can pull a 6' box scraper with rippers down or an old JD two-bottom plow through solid clay. Also look into and test drive NH's Super Steer---a must-have! For more traction for plowing I wish I had agricultural tires versus the industrial tires.






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 12-30-2003, 18:19 Post: 72727
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The 4310 and 4610 are the best value buys of the 4000 Ten Series CUT's. Most bang for the buck. For plowing the gear shift trans is best. For FEL work the ehydro. The ehydro can do both and has other advantages such as fine creeper applications and great ease of fine accurate movement for much easier hook ups. Get the eHydro, you will be very happy with it. If you are wanting to save some money or want a good middle ground between ehydro and straight gear shift. Get the ePowerReverser. The 990 is also a good choice if you want a more basic tractor with less bells and whistles but still a great tractor. Which ever you decide, get 4WD. You will be VERY glad you did. Helps with 4 wheel braking, traction in muck, as well as FEL work.






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I like my 12 X 12 synchro tranny with shuttle shift. The forward and reverse lever is right under the left side of the steering wheel and it is quick to shift. You have four speeds available under the steering wheel on the right hand side which can be shifted on the move. This is significantly different than the older manual transmissions that required a full stop and going through shift "gates" to reach reverse.

I do more loader work than anything else. For me the shuttle shift tranny made the difference in the manual/hst argument. I did not like the NH HST at the time, although I checked out a new one recently and it seems to be laid out better and is probably a fine choice now. But, I don't regret my choice of the shuttle shift manual tranny for even a second.






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I agree with AC on the shuttle shift. I have no doubt that if you put two guys with little experience on the two tractors that you would probably see that 30% efficiency advantage with the hydro when using the loader. But that advantage will be much less (if any) when comparing two really experienced guys.
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