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 11-30-2003, 11:10 Post: 69985
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Great Board!!! I am buying a new tractor soon I have several questions. I have 5 acres, 3 to mow. woods, 2 ponds, and alot of landscaping to do. I will eventually get a backhoe to play wiht as well. I have looked at blue, green, orange. the size I think is reasonable is the 4310, tc 33 but I am 6'6', 300 POUNDS..AND IM NOT COMFORTABLE. so i have went up to tc 40 or 4610. questions:
1. hydro or no?
2. Turf or industrial..i get different opinions from dealers as to hurting grass versus driving in woods with turf
3. If i go with Corriher...is there any service problems locally.
4. Any opinions would help.

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 11-30-2003, 13:53 Post: 69993
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Eric I have a cousin named Eric he's 6'1" and goes 460# he fits on my 4400 fine. Granted it's tight but all compacts are tight for him.

I'm not gonna say to much on hydro vs gear. I like gears. So you decide whats right for you.

I have turfs on mine and use it in the woods all the time. BUT it is always chained on all 4. My old compact had R-1s and it was chained on all 4 to go into the woods. A little tire slippage is the woods is very hard on tires they get sliced real bad no matter what style tire you have.

The big pros with the big skidders use really heavy chains all the time except when the ground is very dry.

I can not comment on mail order tractors. I want to be near the dealer in case I wanna reach across the counter and grab him by the throat to explain the facts of life. I think the service is better because I bought it locally.






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 11-30-2003, 14:03 Post: 69994
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1) If you need to manuver around a lot of trees it is nice to have. If you are working around hills it is nice to have.
2) I never had much trouble driving in the woods with the turf tires (Tom?). The industial provide little laterial stability and you tend to slide side ways easily. My 955 had turf on the front and R4 industrial on the rear. On a side hill the back end would slide down he hill. It is worse than the R1 farm tires.
3) If Corriher provides the best price then use it to find the best price locally. If they can not match fairly closely go Corriher. The local dealer should maintain the warranty, but it is nice to have a local supplier if possible.






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 11-30-2003, 14:03 Post: 69995
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Eric, I will just say that I have very poor experiences dealing with New Holland during my tenure with military equipment contracting while in the Army. From a personal view point; my experiences with Ford/New Holland has not been positive either. This may vary from dealer to dealer and maybe a few lemons got more public attention than was deserved. Your local or other dealers may provide excellent support.

I can tell you that when I procured equipment for the 101st Airborne, it had to pass the "balsa wood hammer" specification. Soldiers can tear up a solid iron ball with a balsa wood hammer. That meant a warranty and reliability factor to match the claims. John Deere was the ONLY manufacturer who would warranty the equipment (in this case 15 4710's" to run on JP-8 fuel and coordinated through a dealer local to Ft. Campbell for logistic support, and provided a dedicated representative to cover any issues to include training, over night parts, and direct shipment of parts to Iraq. NO other manufacturer even came close to what Deere provided. 14 of those 15 tractors are still in Iraq running strong; the 15th is sitting at Ft. Campbell because its owning commander did not want to take it to Iraq. He is still regretting that decision.

To answer your questions:

1. Get the ehydro

2. R-4's especially for with a back hoe.

3. Don't expect your local New Holland or John Deere dealer to go out of their way to support you if you did not buy from them. As long as you can provide the labor, and pay for shipping, Corriher & John Deere can support you with parts. These costs could be an issue if you have a lot of warranty issues.

4. If you want a mid pto, the dealer will have to install it for you. Get the extra SCV's so you will have the option later for rear attachments as well as a 4 in 1 bucket. I would suggest the block heater, front and rear facing work lights. If you plan to install a FEL, consider if you want to fluid fill your rear tires or buy the wheel weights and/or weight box. You may want to consider buying your impliments all in one package to take advantage of any price incentives or rebates as well as finance it all at once rather than trying to piece meal later. Ask if the dealer will cover transport costs to pick up your tractor while it is under warranty. This can be a big savings a $1.50 per loaded mile if you have to make many trips back to the dealer if you don't have a trailer and truck to pull it. The rental upgrade kit and hood guard are nice additions if you plan much rough use. The sear arm rest kit is nice too.

Good luck on which ever flavor tractor you choose!






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 11-30-2003, 18:10 Post: 70003
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Chief, why are the industrial tires better with a backhoe? The extra weight of the backhoe? I still don't have hydraulics to the rear of my tractor yet so I haven't been able to try my backhoe. Also things are freezing up fast in northern WIS so it will have to wait till spring anyway. Maybe I'll find some deficiency in my ag tires then...
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 11-30-2003, 18:18 Post: 70004
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Dave, yes. The R-4's have a very rigid carcass and will better and more stabley support that extra substantial weight of a backhoe. The turf tires are great when your primary mission is lawn care but I think the R-4's are a good compromise for a variety of uses. You could use the turf tires in this case but I don't think it would be a very good combination.






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 12-01-2003, 04:18 Post: 70017
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There is quite a discussion on the I hate my r4 thread...

My opinion of r4s is: If you are going to work on hard soil, gravel, black top or dry conditions then the r4 "INDUSTRIAL" (note emphasis on INDUSTRIAL) is a good tire choice. Otherwise I'd stick with R1s ag tires or R3 turfs. Turfs do not work good in mud and ags do not work good on hardpack snow. R4 work on neither.






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 12-01-2003, 05:58 Post: 70022
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Eric I am 6'3" 300lbs and have a TC33D and can fit fine with the adjustablility of the seat and steering wheel. My property also seems similar and this tractor has been flawless over the past year and a half. The dealer has also been great. I have a hydro and filled R4s. Many people have complained about local dealers not being very helpful when tractors were bought elsewhere. I used corriher's price to negotiate locally and got the same price. Good luck






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 12-01-2003, 06:26 Post: 70024
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For the work described, there's probably no real reason not to choose HST other than the higher initial price. In general, the long-term costs of owning an HST tractor are lower than for gear TX's. Long term cost includes resale value, which are higher for HST's.

HST tractors usually are speced at lower HP than gear tractors but power seldom is much of an issue. Compacts tend to have more of it than they do traction and HP needs usually can be reduced by going slower. HST's have a bunch of advantages that make up for lower power. Gear TX alternatives such as GST or various 'no-clutch designs' or synchromesh gears work well but are still not as convenient as HST. Gears do have some advantages for fieldwork.






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 12-18-2003, 10:47 Post: 71583
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Eric I have a TC-40D and you would do very well with one. It is set up with R4s, Supersteer, Quick-attach FEL, Backhoe, fiberglass canopy, wheel weights, 3-point weights and a lot of other goodies.

I don't recommend purchasing out of state unless you do have a way to transport your new rig to a local dealer. Most of the servicing agents will handle their regulars 1st, over someone who did not support them in the transaction.

It is my understanding that when doing a warranty repair they are reimbursed by NH on a flat rate labor basis for the repair. So there isn't a lot of money in warranty repair like one might think. They need to make a profit on the sale to pay the bills and be there when you need them the most.






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