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 12-20-2000, 14:31 Post: 22659
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 Hydrostatic vs 12 x 12 SSS tran

I am interested in buying a TC40 or 45 and I am not sure if I should go with a hydro or sss tran. My activities would include: mowing fields, loader work, plant clover (not sure if I would bale), pull trees out of my woods, and my property has steep sidehills. Please advise. Thanks for your time.






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 12-20-2000, 15:43 Post: 22662
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OldForge, once again you're talking personal preference to some extent, and I know there are those who will disagree, but in my opinion, the hydrostatic transmission is faster, easier, safer, etc. I'm spoiled; I'm simply would not even consider a compact tractor without the hydrostatic.






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 12-20-2000, 20:48 Post: 22668
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I have to second Bird's opinion. When I was buying my Kubota I had decided on the gear transmission but my wife wanted the hydro, guess what we got. The first time I used the loader I realized how lucky I was. I didn't realize how often I was going to change directions or need to move 2 inches. GET THE HYDRO!






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 12-21-2000, 05:27 Post: 22676
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Well, I have gears. It was the right used tractor at the right time and price for me. It still is the right tractor, but HST definitely has advantages. I'm not sure if the somewhat higher PTO HP and lower costs of gears are adequate compensations. However, the selection of used compacts was about zip at the time, and I didn't have much choice. I do like my tractor though.

Here's a couple of thoughts. Somebody commented that certain ag operations require running calibrated ground speeds (Some type of planting was the example used). With my gears, I know what my ground speed is. There is a speed/gear chart built into the tachometer dial. I'm not sure how this issue is managed with HST's. Of course, I don't do those types of ag operations, so that advantage of gears is lost on me. The other thought is that my transmission gives me four reverse gears. The four reverse gears gives adequate ground speed control when I have to run in reverse at PTO RPM (with my snowblower). A transmission with only two reverse gears would be very restricting.






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 12-21-2000, 14:55 Post: 22690
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 Hydrostatic vs 12 x 12 SSS tran

This is funny to answer this but one of my customers that lives or has a camp in Old Forge NY told me a major plus of a hydro is it has a deadman petal on the hydro that he like's. When you lift the foot off the petal it all stops. The comments Murf made as far as gearing up and throttling down is a valid point which still can be done to a degree with a hydro. Any loss of horsepower with a hydro is normally made up with the hydro on pto operation.






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 12-21-2000, 22:51 Post: 22710
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OldForge, I have the same tough decision to make on my upcoming TC45/TC45D purchase. Personal preference should only be based on what the tractor is used for, otherwise personal preferences have a way of rearranging themselves. No doubt hydros are perfect for loader and mowing work and small speed adjustments. Search this board and others and you will find posts where hydros fall down, like poor fuel economy, overheating, and less available power in drawbar pulling applications like discing, plowing, etc. These threads are relatively few, but probably only because relatively few compact owners use their tractors for ag work. Also some posts on hydro squealing noises in cold conditions and having to monkey with tranny fluid changes to correct, no posts accordingly for gears. Consider this, on the TC45 the placement of the shuttle shift and gear selector is so well done it's as close as you can get to a hydro while still having gears. Also, gears are "the original cruise control". Having owned both in small tractors, I would prefer a hydro on my new TC. But since I'll be doing lots of discing, probably will go 12X12 gears unless someone with ag time on a compact can steer me otherwise. Good luck with your decision, you'll be happy with whatever you buy until your personal preference changes!






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 12-22-2000, 18:01 Post: 22725
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Let me put my 2 cents worth in as my new TC40D was just delivered last week. First, to correct Tom, the Hydro on the TC40D is "dual power" meaning you have 4 four/reverse ranges. A shift on the fly button is on the loader joystick the jump from turtle to hare in each hydro range. Secondly, there are other differences between the two models besides the transmission. Mostly in aesthetics. ie: no wrap-around headlights, no deck mat, etc on the TC40. It makes the TC40 seem like the ecomony model. Nothing that effects pulling performance just creature comforts. Obviously I chose the D model and I love it so far. Plowed lots of Michigan snow!






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 12-22-2000, 22:03 Post: 22729
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It sounds like there is no clear "better" trnasmission....just lots of opinions. So here is mine penny's worth: Frankly, I like a gear shift transmission on my tractor. I don't drive it all day or even every day. If I do put in a couple of hours of back and forth loader work with it then I might not do that again for weeks...or longer. Of course if I did work it all day, everyday... or did lots of back and forth loader work...or mowed a large lawn twice a week then I would want the hydro and no doubts about it. But I don't do that.
My tractor is both a hobby and a tool. I am likely to fire it up for a few minutes to fetch something heavy or move some bags of feed 100 feet. On a lucky weekend I might get to move some snow around or maybe mow the local baseball field. A favorite chore is gathering big rocks from the far end of the property, carrying them in the loader bucket up to the house, and nudging them into a pleasing landscape. Occasionally I will work on half a mile of ourt dirt road or clean up one of the creek crossings. It is fun for me to work with the tractor, and a multitude of gears is part of that fun. None of these tasks are very pressing - or difficult - and using a hydro to do them would be like hiring someone else to go fishing for me..... I'm not in any big rush to get the tractor chores done....but then I don't fish as fast as I can either. I do like a fast syncro shuttle shift, and consider that to be about as far as I am willing to go in automating my hobby.






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 12-23-2000, 05:12 Post: 22731
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Mich: Sorry about the confusion. I commented about my 3x4 gear transmission in comparison to something like a 5x2 gear transmission. However, I think a HST transmission with only two ranges would provide better control of ground speed at a given engine RPM than my 3x4 gear tx. My point is that if I have to run PTO RPM, then selection of gears is the only thing that controls ground speed. I may very well find that a two reverse gear transmission goes too slow in low and too fast in high. I could be wrong, but I think that some gear transmissions for current model JD's provide two reverses, which could be limiting. However, such a limitation would affect virtually no application except 3ph snow blowers. I guess it's sort of an unusual position to find myself kind of talking up HST's. Actually, I'm with Roger. I depend on the tractor to do work that has to be done, but my tractor is a personal tool, and I sort of like my gears.






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 12-23-2000, 10:44 Post: 22737
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Thanks Tom. I guess I got a little windy (again!). In shortened form: I like the gears and enjoy the tractoring. And, I'm in no particular hurry to get my tractoring done quickly so I can get back to work! Not being a total barbarian, I do like the syncro shuttle transmissions better than the old non-syncro patterns with reverse out in left field.






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