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 03-11-2006, 01:01 Post: 125935
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Just retired and moved to Virginia. I recently bought a 1998 New Holland TC25 tractor with a loader, mower, rake, auger etc. The problem I have is starting it. I don't know what I am doing wrong but it turns over and over and blows out smoke but is very had to start. I've tried holding the key in (maybe I need to hold it in longer?) but it just is a dog to get going, any suggestions? Do you thing my pre-heater is bad? Should I keep the engine heater plugged in?(its not cold in the garage). Anyone that thinks I'm doing something wrong or knows of a trick that would fix the problem I would be greatly appreciative.
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 03-11-2006, 07:07 Post: 125938
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You might try changing the throttle position, most tractors start best just off an idle but they are all different. The cranking speed is also critical to good starts so if it's slow it won't start well. This is a tough call to make without listening to it.






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 03-11-2006, 07:27 Post: 125941
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Like that handle, by the way, Red.

Advance the throttle slightly over minimum (high idle), engage the preheater and count to ten then engage the starter. As Art said the motor has to turn realitively fast, a slow turning diesel will be hard to start.

How much smoke it is producing while cranking? You may have some injector or injector pump issues if there is more than just a small puff.

At a 1998 vintage, the battery if origional, is probably due for replacement, this may help.

At the outside air tempretures you are at it should start fairly easily.

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 03-11-2006, 13:20 Post: 125948
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Thanks for your quick reply Art.

The battery seems fine and I have been playing with the throttle, maybe I am advancing it too far?






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 03-11-2006, 13:28 Post: 125949
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Thanks for your imput Larry,

Like I mantioned to Art the battery seems ok, the engine turns over quickly. When I engage the pre heater how exactly am I supposed to do it? I "assume" you just push the key in and thats it? Should I get a ready light because I'm not getting any. As far as the smoke goes its a lot, certainly more then just a puff as you mentioned. I'm beginning to think that maybe the preheater isn't working and I'm flooding the engine with fuel. Here is exactly what I am doing and what it is doing;

Put everything in neutral, raise the fuel throttle a bit, turn the key to the on position and hold it in for about 30 seconds, then turn the key to start. The engine turns over and it starts to pump out a yellowish/gray smoke. If I keep advancing the throttle and pulling it back it seems to help. The engine will start to run then stall, it will do this several times until it begins to start. Once it starts it runs rough for a few seconds (5-10) and then runs as normal. I give it a few minutes to warm up while I go outside to breath and then I go back and take it out. It runs great once its started and warmed up but its just a dog to get going.

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 03-11-2006, 15:30 Post: 125951
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Red, if you have the owners manual I'd take a look at it for help. I consider them a must for proper procedures. I don't know that the Red ones I sell were the same as the 98 versions or not and CRS has me in grips! It does sound like the glow plugs aren't working. What is the temp when you are starting?






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 03-11-2006, 23:33 Post: 125957
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Red, I am not sure how the 98 works but on my 2003 TC 24 you turn the key to the on position and then turn it a little more to turn on the glow plug light on. After about 5 seconds or so or when glow plug light goes off I turn it to the start position. When I got my tractor two years ago, stupid me was turning the key on and waiting about 5-8 seconds and then hitting the starter. The result was the same thing you are getting -smoke coming out and long crank to start. Finally figured out from the guys here I was just skipping over the glow plug position. Now it starts right up.
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Thanks Art, I dont know if the glow plugs are working or not. How would I know what the temperture is when it starts?






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Thanks Dave, I ordered an owners manual online yesterday, when it comes I'll closely look over the starting instructions and see if im doing something wrong. Believe it or not I bought this tractor on ebay from a guy in Tenn. When they shipped it in and dropped it off the driver drove it off the truck out in the street and said have a nice day. It took me 5 minutes to figure out how to drive it up the driveway. The tractor is in really nice shape and the guy I bought it from was super nice. I'm sure its me, I'm doing somethng wrong (i hope).






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I was after the air temperature that you are starting the tractor in. They do have their limits as to how cold they will start.






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