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 02-27-2005, 21:14 Post: 106942
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I need to buy a compact to mow 4 acres and do dirt work, and snow removal. Many suggest a 72" MMM. So I am wondering if a tc29 or tc33 with MMM and supersteer are the most efficient for mowing and light loader work? Have also looked at JD 4115/72" MMM. And do rear discharge MMM work as well and groom as nicely as side discharge?






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 02-28-2005, 08:02 Post: 106952
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I have a TC33D with SuperSteer. No loader though, and I wouldn't put one on for doing dirt work (I have a skid steer and a backhoe, but from time to time I need to move a little dirt---a LITTLE dirt). The tractor isn't large enough to do anything more than move loose dirt around--I wouldn't dig with it in hard-pack. I tested a used one and was very disappointed about breakout/dig-in capacity--it couldn't even lift the front wheels. I use mine commercially for brushhogging, scraper box grading, power raking etc. and for that it is excellent. And the SuperSteer is a god-send especially for mowing. If I brush hog and hit the right-hand cutting brake with cruise control on, I can get a zero turning radius. Have fun trying to use the left cutting brake under any circumstance unless you have three feet and a monkey. With cruise on, touching the left pedal turns it off). I hope they fired the guy who designed that system. For the cost of renting a skid steer or even a full size backhoe you would spend a half to a third less than the cost of the loader and get done in a third of the time. The CUT loader really isn't up to the challenge. But that's just my opinion as they say.






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 02-28-2005, 12:02 Post: 106968
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 what is best for mowing landscaping

I have the B7800 ( 30hp ) with the FEL, and find it to work well for genenral landscaping work around the property. It will certainly lift the front wheels off the ground, and plenty more. With the 60" bucket, I can move about 1/4-1/3 of a yard per bucket, and have not trouble digging a bucket full, at least in my soil. For commercial work, it is undersized, but for landscaping around the property, it's an invaluable addition to the tractor (IMHO).

I also mow with the 7800, does a nice job of it.






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 02-28-2005, 17:21 Post: 106986
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I like rear discharge but only NH offers it on MMM. As far as quality of cut, I think it depends on the engineering. Some side discharges are bad. Walker commercial riding mowers have a rear discarge option and they do a nice job. I have never tried a NH rear so I have no idea if they do well. I am just not fond of supersteer since it does not really improve outside turning radius. Have you demoed the 4115 with MMM. I think you will find a very nice turning radius.






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 03-01-2005, 11:40 Post: 107034
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I have a TC33D with a 72" MMM side discharge and loader. I think the rear discharge decks are mulching decks. Mine would windrow until I took off my side chute. Now it blows the grass out nice and even. I mow about 6 acres and do as much of the yard as I can. I have done some heavier work with the loader and am happy with what it does. It will lift the front tires if you curl down. I have much larger tractors in the family but am always happy to use mine. It's quick and very maneuvable.






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 03-01-2005, 12:57 Post: 107039
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TREEMAN: I got the tested one's front wheels off the ground too when it curled--but wouldn't you argee that sign of a strong or worth-while loader is the ability to drive up to a pile (with the bucket curled or not) and be able to lift the front wheels using only the loader cylinders (a.k.a. down-pressure). My buddy's 1968 2000 with a loader is useless for dirt work as it won't lift the front wheels either without curling the bucket, and then the loader itself raises not the wheels. I think the reason the loaders don't have good down-pressure is that the surface area/or volume on the "down" or "retract" side of the hyraulic cylinders is a farction of the "up" or extend" side.
On my backhoe I have to have down pressure on the loader to transfer the weight to it and the outriggers to keep it planted in the ground when digging; I have to think anyone with a backhoe of any size would need that too.






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 03-01-2005, 13:30 Post: 107044
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I have never driven a tractor that would not raise the front end off the ground with just the boom cylinders, and that is with nothing hanging on the back helping. The only time I need to curl out is if I am raising it higher and the boom cylinders reach the end of their cycle. Of course I have never driven a NH with supersteer.






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 03-01-2005, 13:37 Post: 107045
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earthwrks: You are correct about the hydraulic cylinders not having the same surface area on each side of the pistons. On one side you loose the push but gain speed.

I have operated larger commercial equipment also and yes you can dig like crazy. I didn't buy my tractor for large jobs though. My next door neighbor is a excavator and has VERY large equipment so I have him do the large jobs. For the jobs that I bought it for it does a good job and that's all that counts. With smaller machines it's more about technique than with larger machines.






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 03-01-2005, 14:22 Post: 107049
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DENWOOD: That's why I mentioned about lifting the front end and the importance. As my neighbor with the same machine as mine (TC33D w/SuperSteer) pointed out since the front axle sits about 8-10" more forward than non-SS, the tractor has more stability when lifting with the loader (the principle being less leverage on the front axle)

TREEMAN: Like my reply to Denwood, I felt that anyone not familiar with loaders and the uses thereof may benefit from the not lifting the front axle comment especially if they were considering a backhoe attachment. Too many time guys take the uninformed advice of a dealer and will plunk down $20,000, get it home thinking it's the best thing since sliced bread and are sorely disappointed---case in point my buddy with the old 2000 loader---in fact that's how I met him---his tractor wouldn't move 50,000 cubic yards of backfill on his 13 acres so he hired me. His 2000 is for sale--$4500 w/loader and 8' Ford back blade, and 6' landscape rake (he paid $6500 in '96)






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 03-01-2005, 14:36 Post: 107050
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I think the less leverage depends on which loader you have. I think Oneace said in an earlier thread that the 7308 loader is in the same spot so less leverage is true. I believe the newer series of loaders is moved forward with the axle so it does not give less leverage, just more counterweight since the backend is farther from the loader pivot and front axle. I still don't understand why you can't pick up the front end with the boom. If loader is farther forward, it should be easier for the loader. If is is the same, it is just a little weight of the axle/wheels moved forward a little. It should still pick it up.






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