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 05-01-2004, 23:02 Post: 84932
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Well this Sunday at 11:59 may be the last day of work for us (at CNH) for awhile. Contract talks are NOT good and some of our barganing committee people have retired as of Friday this week! I am schedualed to be on the line at the main truck gate so it may get interesting. Anyone here know just HOW much Fiat dont like unions? Laughing out loud!!! Seriously this is going to be a very hard contract for us IMHO. We just had 25% of our work force retire Friday. That is just over 100 men and women! Ouch! Wish us luck?
On a brighter note, if we do strike, I will get alot more seat time on my new tractor and believe me I will not run out of work for it for a long time!






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 05-02-2004, 06:48 Post: 84941
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I wish you luck. Went through a 3 month strike a couple of years ago. The operation was completely shut down. Hopefully your situation doesn't go down that road.
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 05-02-2004, 08:58 Post: 84951
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I never could figure out how strikes are good. I would never strike to help a worker who wasn't as good as my at a job. My family gets fed based on my abilities, not on the sum of labor that caters to the slow and feeble. I earn MY wages based on MY ability. My wife is a teacher, she refuses to strike too.






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 05-02-2004, 19:00 Post: 85003
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Yes part of what you said has some validity. Young and naive or never going to get old? which one is it?
I have worked on both sides of the fence, I am a tool and die maker with far more skill than worth on the market now a day. The production workers need protection against companys that will not pay, put safety on the top of the list, give a few benifits, share in the wealth MADE by the actual workers, have a pension, the list goes on and on.
Our higher paying jobs help other markets as well as we buy cars boats build second houses etc. If a fair company pays a fair wage I am all for that, I am not a die hard union guy but I do have values when it comes to honoring the situation you are in (In my case a union and that means you stand up with/for your co-workers) If your wife is in a teachers union and they strike, what you are telling me is that she would collect the benifits of the unions strike but not go out on the line? Or were you saying she would cross the lines? This country needs both unions and non-union places to work depending on the company. Good luck with your future and may god bless you with good HEALTH for the rest of your working life (If your not a union memeber you will need it to keep that house on a ridge in In.)

Getting back to tractors, I am hoping things work out for us and CNH, any length of time off from production may cause some of our red and blue buyers to cross the street.
Even though we are owned by a foriegn company we still are an american based operation.






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 05-02-2004, 20:56 Post: 85014
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Mid 40's, not naive at all. Just not willing to walk off my job so that others, who have inferior work ethics will benefit from my labor. The quality of my work justifies my pay, if I don't work, I can't expect pay, if I produce junk, I can't expect pay, if I walk off the job the product can't be made, I cannot expect pay, let alone an increase in pay.






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 05-04-2004, 21:07 Post: 85223
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walking off a job is easier said than done. In most cases there are steps that lead up to walking. Like right now I have worked the last 2 days NOT knowing my pay or benifits. We dont have a contract extension and we dont have a contract.
I have no strong feelings either way about my employment
in unions or not bt by the sound of your posts you have no use for them. Whether you are an employer or employee I dont know but slamming union workers for wanting to keep what they have in a time when cost of living is going up every year is pretty petty. In any job there are slackers and producers, more and more its hard to find producers no matter if union is involed or not. True unions protect the slackers, I never liked that either but that is one of the aspects of union work. In general we dont have a new employee every other month doing a job as may be the case in a non union shop (hire the cheapest labor you can, and when they dont show up for work after the first payday, fire them and find anouther fool) We produce a fine product by no means inferior so mis information seems to be what you preach. You have your opinions about unions we can see that, I have opinions about men who think they are better than people they dont know or have never worked with.
I was just passing on info about one of our bigger tractor companys, I was not looking to get B-slapped by someone.






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 05-05-2004, 06:47 Post: 85254
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I choose to rely on ME. I save for retirement and don't count on handouts. I don't believe in welfare or socialism. Unions are welfare for crappy workers and push socialism in government asking the government to pay for everything. My dad escaped socialist rule 50 years ago, I choose to follow self-reliance, not supporting slackers.






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 05-05-2004, 22:52 Post: 85323
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Unions are only hurting america these days. Along time ago they did some good for saftey sake. I was going to buy a NH but will probably go with a tractor made by people doing twice as good work making about 1/3 as much as these overpaid union workers.






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 05-06-2004, 00:02 Post: 85327
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Van,Union or not the price of the product is based on supply and demand. The competion prices also play a role.Whatever they pay their employees,the price of the product will remain the same.The only question being what percentage goes to the company.Although I don't agree with all Union ideals it does protect due process.Due process is essential when a company or a supervisor decides to terminate based on personal matters and not your job performance.






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 05-06-2004, 06:40 Post: 85335
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sgt1985 . . . I'm guessing you did NOT attend business classes in High School or College based on your answer. My wife teaches H.S. business and laughed when I showed her your post. It is wrong in so many ways on so many levels that it is hard to comprehend fixing it without starting over.






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