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 12-28-2003, 20:29 Post: 72516
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I have been researching these tractors for two months now and keep flip/flopping as to what I think is the right model.

I have 2 main purposes. First is snow removal on a 300 foot paved driveway with the first 200 feet quite steep : 2 weeks ago a 4wd pickup/plow could not get up following a weekend storm. The second is landscaping a new house with about 50 feet in front and 120 feet deep out back(preparing lawn, building retaining walls,bulding stone walkway and steps, shrubs and tree planting).

Originally I thought a BX23 with BB would be perfect as all the tasks were covered. Then I heard advice that after first year BH would seldom be used so I thought a larger machine (b7800 with FEL/BB without back hoe to make affordable)would be better for snow removal. Maybe b7510 would be adequate. Also the suggestion was made that a snowblower maybe necessary to get rid of the snow in one pass as opposed to multiple passes with a back blade.

I would appreciate anyones' opinion as to those who have researched these models with these jobs in mind and what they finally decided. How did things work out? Anyone with a steep and long driveway,I would I appreciate to know what you use for snow removal and the results.Do I need a snowblower?

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 12-28-2003, 20:51 Post: 72524
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I do not have a steep driveway, But do have a very steep grade off the side and back of my driveway, which I have been driving up and down with my tractor quite regularly. I take it from you choices that you have pretty well decided on Kubota and not one of the other brands? JD, NH or Grey.

Someone else will probably correct me here if I am mistaken, but if one of your big concerns is snow and a steep driveway, I would recommend the 7800, reasoning that going down the drive pushing or blowing snow may not be bad, but going back up takes HP and if you add a blower using some of that HP you are going to be going even slower.
The one thing I have learn in the world of tractors is they will all pretty much do the same thing, it really boils down to how fast do you want to get it done. More HP means bigger/ wider attachments ( and bigger $$ for those attachemtns ) Which in turn means getting done faster.
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 12-28-2003, 21:01 Post: 72527
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The B-7800 offers a third range which you would be using a grat deal and would allow higher speeds under good power. The BX is large enough to do what you need for the property but might steal a game or two before the landscaping is done.






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 12-29-2003, 08:01 Post: 72551
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Art,

What do you mean "BX...might steal a game or two before the landscaping is done"?

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I think what Art means is that it will simply take a little longer to do it with the smaller the machine, but it will still get done. All of them are very capable.

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 12-29-2003, 08:20 Post: 72555
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 bx23 vs b7510 vs b7800- machine will do the job

GolfPro,

I can see how you are confused, I have been analyzing the same type of situation here for a long time minus the new house, my house was new when I started the analysis. I have been using a Garden Tractor (WheelHorse) with front single stage blower for 20 years, 7 on this property.

Sure I am gettin the job done with the WheelHorse except I have to battle the storms 4" at a time, very painful.

Any of the tractors that you are looking at will do the job and you will not have to battle the storms like I do.

I am puzzled by Arts comments. I have over 1000 feet of driveway with up to 10 % grade + and I have a total of 5 acres with 3 acres in clear unobstructed finish lawn. Art recommended the BX for it. Take a look at my pix. How could art recommend a BX for me a B7800 for you bypassing the B7510 and B7610 and more importantly not telling you that a BX is the only choice here, I am lost again!!!!!

I was skeptical of the advice, I don't think short wide tires on the BX are good on hills. So I placed a order for the B7510.

In your case a 300 foot drive really is not that big, and your yard seems to be pretty small as well.

If you are used to or want a driveway that is paved and clean after a snow storm ( a wise choice on hilly drives), a loader and blade is kind of sloppy. After all a Loader is an excavation tool not a snowplow, even most fullsize backhoes replace the bucket with a flex blade for moving snow. So with a Loader / backblade you will leave some hard pack snow which will become ice, you will rip up the edge of your lawn along your drive .....etc.

On the other hand buying a snowblower allows you to use a much lighter tractor, and the results will be a perfectly clean job.

I think it is a common miscalculation to over buy when buying a new house, you are in a spending mode. I know someone who is in exactly your situation and is buying a Grand L 4630, absolutely ridiculous choice, it will be sitting in a Garage unused for its lifetime, foolish to me because if I ain't using it I am not happy. Hey but if you like to collect things you rarely use I guess it is OK.






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 12-29-2003, 09:26 Post: 72559
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 bx23 vs b7510 vs b7800- machine will do the job

Are there any budget considerations here at all? Can you afford any tractor you want?

The BX has two salient features or two major selling points.

1. Affordability. As a TLB package it is priced thousands of dollars under a comparably equipped, larger unit.

2. Size. It fits on smaller trailers, works in tighter spaces, tows with smaller trucks and takes up less garage space than other TLB's.

So my advise is this: If price is not important and the compact size does not matter, just move up the line a little.

One caveat, I don't think a B7500 is a move up from a BX 22 (or whatever the current model #'s are). If you are going to step up from a BX the next logical step would be the B2410 or larger.






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 12-29-2003, 09:33 Post: 72560
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The BX will do everything that is needed here. For the lower initial price you get the added option of the hoe. The only real plus of the 7800 would be the ability to have a 72" deck, and a 72" blower which both cost you more money which would be using the hoe to trade. The larger tractor would get the loader work done faster, that is where my quip of the golf games lost if the BX was purchased! The BX with a 60" deck is a great value for a home owner. It does give a lower package price of the hoe for the work needed to be done on the property as well as future work. I do believe and I have many of them on properties up to ten acres and they work great and there owners are bragging of there successes!






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 12-29-2003, 10:06 Post: 72568
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I had a B7200 (same size to B7510 but less HP)and moved up to the B-7800. It was like night and day moving snow. The smaller machine just didn't have enough weight to get traction and not enough ground clearance. I only have a 200' driveway and can clean 12 inches of wet snow in about 10 minutes. I cleaned my neighbors drive which has two steep hills and going up the hill it did ok, but coming down the hill I just kept pushing and barely had to open the throttle. The 7800 is the way to go especially with the ground clearance.
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 12-29-2003, 16:26 Post: 72608
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Kubotaguy,

What do you use to clear your snow? A FEL or blade(front or back?)

To all else thanks for the response.

There are budget considerations but I would like to get the tractor now that will do me for a long time. If it means spending a bit more I'm willing to do that, as I know these machines retain good value but you always lose something when you trade up.That's why I've decided to get a new one as I plan to take good care of it and make it last a long time. In the future I hope to get a larger property so that is figuring into my getting a little larger machine as well.

I kind of ruled out the B7610 as the price is so close to the b7800 I would pay the little extra and upgrade.

Right now I am leaning towards the b7800 but would not be able to get the backhoe. I will get a snow blower next year if I can't keep the driveway from icing up with a blade.

I have also been told there are quick exchange FEL and front blades. Are these available by Kubota or do you have to go off market?

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 12-29-2003, 16:43 Post: 72610
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golfpro, I use the FEL for snow removal and use it in the float position and it does pretty good unless it has been driven over and then I have to use a little down pressure. The first snow we had this year was about 10 inches of wet snow and I dropped the bucket and went the length of my 200 ft. drive pushing the snow and didn't spin a tire (I bought chains for it but never put them on yet). My biggest problem is digging up gravels in the gravel driveway. So far I have been very impressed with the 7800 performance. Just remember that you don't get any rear hydraulics with the 7800 which means no hydraulic top link which would come in handy if doing a lot of rear blade work.






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