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 08-17-1999, 00:00 Post: 6996
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 JD vs Kubota durability and HST system

This is my second message on the subject. I'm looking a 2 tractors to replace my JD950........ a JD4600 and a Kubota 4310. I have had my 950 for 10 years and have never had a bit of trouble but now I'm tired of shifting so I want a hydrostatic. I wanted to get another JD but I find the overall quality of the new JD 4000 series to be horrific. The entire housing and fenders are fiberglass where as the Kubota is metal. Does anyone have a comment on the durability of these tractors ?? I do like the hydrostatic set up on the JD better. Does anyone have an opinion on the 2 pedal system (JD)vs the feather touch ( Kubota ). Thanks,JMO'D






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 08-17-1999, 00:00 Post: 7009
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I have driven the JD 4600 and the Kubota 4310. Both are good machines. But....The kubota treadle pedal exceeds the ankle angle and almost has to be used with the heel on the floor. If you have boots with a heel,reverse can be difficult. Steering brakes on the Kubota are almost useless unless you are in cruise control. Kubota's cruise control is not that great. As for sheet metal parts, I find they can really rattle after a period of time. None of these items are show stoppers. Just minor concerns. The 4600 will have some bugs because of being in first year production. Steering brakes are useable at all times and it has a great cruise control system which I believe they copied from the Blue guys. The 4600 seems to be more comfortable for the big guys.Seat goes back far enough. The power and lift capacity of the green loader is very impressive, but I could still get the job done with the Kubota. Hope this helps.






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 08-17-1999, 00:00 Post: 7030
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John Deere all the Way! The twin peddle system is far superior in comfort than a treadle pedal. Besides you can use your left & Right brakes with a John Deere. The Loader is Superior on the John Deere also. The choice of a John Deere was a No Brainer for me... they have the controls set up right.. where on a Kubota can you use Hydro power and a turn brake at the same time? You can't? And I am a very experienced operater, and I use my L & R brakes all the time.. For many different reasons.. remember many times if you are scraping up snow or ice off a driveway, you don't have your front wheels on the ground.. the only means of steering is with your brakes. And out in the feild it works great too... Trust me.. I realize John Deere has lighter fenders now, but those are replaceable..that is in the unlikely event you are going to break one, getting a tractor you hate because it is not as simple as a JD hydro, isn't as easy to replace.. No other tractor makes implements that come off & on as easy as a John Deere.. Loader, Belly Mower etc.. Getting a John Deere is like having a Macintosh, far superior product.. anything else would be just a run of the mill PC...thanks Jason MacKenzie






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 08-18-1999, 00:00 Post: 7042
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I have a JD 4500 I would like to sell. It has 105 hours, 50 hours was at a trade show by dealer. 40 hrs. was pumping water with the PTO, and the balance was plowing. I am asking $19,585.






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 08-18-1999, 00:00 Post: 7043
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After test driving ALL the blues, greens and oranges, I went with the Kubota. Not to say that JD and NH are not good tractors, they are. I just like the Kubota better. I had orig. ordered a new 4000 series JD, then test drove the new Grand L series Kubota, and canceled the Deere order. Its true the Deere loader is easer to remove and install but the Kubota loader has more capacity than the Deere or the NH. As far as the hydro pedel, mine has the same pressure from slow to fast. And yes I too use my turn breaks. Just set the cruse on slow and use the breaks, no big deal. You can do this on a NH also as long as you are turning right, the left break disengages the cruse. The Deere cruse is better than mine but Kubota cruse is functional, and I use it all the time. Also my Kubota has NOT been recalled for hydro trans. problems, hard to push hydro pedels, tires rubbing while turning..... Best of luck in your decisionKevin






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 08-18-1999, 00:00 Post: 7054
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I drove the Green's and Oranges and felt that the Orange was much more solid and I wanted a tractor this summer rather than in the fall or winter. I too have no problem using the cruise and the turn brake at the same time...in fact I prefer it that way and have not yet taken the front loader off so I can't tell if that is gong to be tough or not, but to tell you the truth I use it so much for so many things I wonder if I would ever take it off anyway. The Green does have better hat though. Good luck!






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 08-18-1999, 00:00 Post: 7057
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I went out and drove them both (4300 HST/4600 Powreverser--) JD and Kubota.Was going to decide based on if I wanted HST I would go orange. After driving the 4600 and working a loader there was no comparison in my mind. Had to go JD Green.The controls, steering, pedals all felt where I wanted them and I felt at home.Felt out of place with the Kubota. Am now waiting for /trying to find a 4600 HST. Dealer say I may have to wait till DEC!That isn't because they aren't making them. it's because they can't fill the demand. One source told me they had converted other othe assembly lines and increased production 60+% and they are still behind.I think there are some folks who have decided with me to wait and go green.I wouldn't fault anyone who felt different, the Kubota is a fine machine.Some like Ford's, some like Chevy's, and some will shoot you if you don't agree.God Bless, I hope you are as happy with your decision in 2 years wich ever one it is.David






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 08-18-1999, 00:00 Post: 7065
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Hello Kevin,I was wondering which loader you were talking about? This is the 430 compared to Kubota's equivalent, on spec.s I found JoeComparison for 430 Equip/Compact Utility Tractors MANUFACTURER John Deere Kubota MODEL 430 LA481 Tractor Model 4300-4400 L3010/L3410 Front Tire 7-14 R1 --- Loader Capacity Lift capacity at full height, lb. (kg) 1258 (572) 1217 (552)* Breakout capacity, lb.(kg) 3299 (1497) 2244 (1017)* Dimensions Maximum lift height, in. (mm) 101.4 (2575) 97.2 Clearance full height w/bucket dumped, in.(mm) 78.3 (1989) 76.4 Digging depth, in. (mm) 6.1 (155) 3.9 Reach max. height w/bucket dumped, in. (mm) 25.6 (651) 21.7 ground level w/bucket level, in. (mm) 57.5 (1460) 61.8 dump angle, degrees 45 41 rollback angle, degrees 30 20 Cycle times loader raise, seconds 3.5 3.4 loader lower, seconds 2.5 2.2 bucket dump, seconds 1.8 1.5 bucket rollback, seconds 2.3 2.5 Tractor Hydraulic pump capacity, gpm 8.3 7 Rated pressure, psi 2494 2490 Loader Hydraulic Cylinder Lift cylinder diameter, in. (mm) Bore 1.97 (50), Rod 1.28 (32) Bore 1.75, Rod1.25 Bucket cylinder diameter, in. (mm) Bore 1.97 (50), Rod 1.28 (32) Bore 1.75, Rod1.00 ASAE Standard No. ASAE S301.3 Estimated ASAE S301.3






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 08-18-1999, 00:00 Post: 7074
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Jack,Just wanted to add my 2 cents. 1 cent: I owned a 955 for years. Your concern about the fenders and housings are baseless. These components are a resin plastic, not fiberglass. The hood on my 955 was from this material and I would load rock and broken concrete in my bucket and sometimes (by accident that still made me mad) an errant piece would come over the top and hit my hood. Yeah, it scratched it but it didn't break. This is the same type of material they have used on ag tracs for years. One other advantage is it won't rust when scratched.2 cent: your concern for the pedals is a good one. I have driven many of the rocker type hydros and they are a pain after a while, feather or no. The reason that no one else has the 2 pedals is because Deere patented it. You can bet that when the patent runs out the others will jump on it. If you are going to be doing much loader or mower work the two pedal system is better.oh heck a third cent: the loader on a 4600 is impressive. It will lift more than a ton(2325 LBS.) It is real easy to hook up (no tools). I have a 4400 also and the hookup is the same, It works pretty nice. I guess the thing that bugs me about the new compacts is that there are no test drives anymore. You have to buy a pig in a poke! last but not least, I stopped by a New Holland dealer and they are coming out with a few larger compacts(up to 45 HP) in the spring. I like the ergonomics of those tractors. but that pedal thing is still there.hope it helps, mike






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 08-19-1999, 00:00 Post: 7081
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Jack,Resin tractor skin is more resilient than sheetmetal. For some reason people are afraid of plastic's strength and its longevity, yet what is the most difficult thing to deteriorate in a landfill? Surely not Sheetmetal! Also, scratches on plastic can be sanded/polished out to look like new. As far as the hydro issue, IMHO, both make reliable units. I personally don't care for the awkwardly designed Kubota system, nor do I care for the Independent brakes to be on the same side as the hydro pedal. Guys talk about using the cruise, but anyone who has used these brakes for turning while performing loader operations knows that setting the cruise isn't worth the hastle. Till I messed around with all of that hassle, I could have done a K turn or something.I think Horrific is a strong word. I can honestly say that I looked and drove both makes with a fine tooth comb, and would never consider one to be Horrific! I would take plastic fenders over sheetmetal anyday. Its nice not worrying about rust or dents.






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