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 11-14-2003, 13:30 Post: 68751
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Hello all!
I'm interested in the BX22-23 TBL unit. My main use would be digging test holes with the backhoe. Alot of the terrain would be wooded and the ability to get around trees and some ground clearance is required. The Kioti CK20 seemed ok but the sub frame sticks out the back and would get hung up I believe. Has anyone used their BX22 in the woods without too many problems? The B21 would be nice but I would prefer a smaller machine for transport and $s.
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 11-14-2003, 14:00 Post: 68756
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Mark, we do a lot of perc. tests too, but I found it was far easier to do the test hole using a post-hole auger.

We use a 12" bit and an extension shaft on an hydraulic auger mounted on the loader boom. This is important since it gives you tremendous down-pressure and the ability to reverse the bit if need be.

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 11-16-2003, 10:52 Post: 68894
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Thanks Murf, Do you have that auger on the Bx22 and how do find the tractor gets around ok over rough terrain? There's an add for a new BX22 in NY for $14,999. I'm a 28 year veteran of test hole digging with a hand shovel. It's a big jump for me to go from $14.99 (shovel) to $14,999 but the back almost requires it soon. Thanks for the help.

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 11-16-2003, 12:42 Post: 68902
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Good point Murf, You can get down to 36" minimum with the BX.






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 11-17-2003, 05:26 Post: 68943
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I think the idea of most anybody having a need and getting a tractor is a good idea. For this application, I wonder if a standalone gas engine PHA and an ATV to get it around the woods might do the job. It might be good if there were additional needs to keep a tractor busy, and if distances are involved a tractor doesn't cover much ground in a day.






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 11-17-2003, 08:48 Post: 68958
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Mark, I think you are on the right track. Test holes would be much faster with a backhoe. Dragging a post-hole digger through the bushes sounds like a hassle to me.

I had a BX22 for a year or so. One of the complaints I had was the small tires forced me to drive very slowly in rough/rocky areas due to quite a bit of side to side pitching.

If you can live with that, it is one tough little machine that will amaze you with it's backhoe prowess.

They do sit very close to the ground and there are some features, such as the driveshaft mounted HST cooling fan, that could get tangled up in the brush.

You should lay underneath one and see what you think. Another BX issue to consider would be the limited tire options. There are two choices and both are basically turfs with thin sidewalls and tread sections.

A B7500 or a JD 4110 can be equipped with a backhoe and much larger, studier R-4 tires(I am sure there is a Blue tractor too). The price goes up $2000-$3000 over a BX but it may well be worth it if the areas you work in are fraught with stumps and pointy objects.

Moving up to a B7500 or a Deere 4110 will not change the portability, as all the machine weights are nearly identical and all would require a 16 foot trailer when equipped with a backhoe.

Let me know if I can help you through this process.






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 11-17-2003, 08:49 Post: 68959
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Mark, we don't have any BX's, our machines are all in the 40hp class and up, mostly L4310's.

As Tom mentioned though, you might want to consider a stand alone unit, trailer mounted and pulled by an ATV or the like. A local fence contractor has a boom-type auger where the engine drives a flexible drive shaft, the whole unit is mounted in the back of a JD Gator. I'm sure it was a pricey setup.

A tractor is an expensive way to make holes unles you have some other use for it as well. You may wish to consider some 40hp Utility class 2WD farm tractor, say the size of a Ford 3600. These have decent sized tires, 16" in front and 24" in the rear. They will get around pretty good.

With a little fiddling around to put on & take off an extension, even a BX will drill a 6' deep hole.

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 11-17-2003, 16:33 Post: 68974
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You need to check with the various communities if you have not already as to how they conduct their perc test.

The health department where I live mandates that you use a backhoe, dig a six or seven foot deep trench, and then they stand in the pit on the hoe and take samples of the dirt at different levels for evaluation.






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Few good points here and yep if hoes or I guess shovels are required for testing then PHA's of any kind are non-starters. Guess it does depend on where you have to go. Around here the bush is such that you can't walk through it let alone get any vehicle including ATV's through without a trail. I hadn't thought about it but most test holes probably would be on cleared land if they're for residential septic systems so maybe access isn't much of an issue.

Our bush has been alive with consultants the last few years drilling test holes for landfill studies and a graphite mine. I'm not sure what they're using but probably drilling rigs that take core samples but that's different than the septic system buz. The hole locations likely are as much determined by where they can get the rigs to as anything.






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I have a customer that owns some woods that are not swampy and he goes all thru them with a BX22 with turfs. The farmer who owns the land next to him has used the woods for his stone pile for probably a century and he goes over with the tlb and digs stones for his landscape projects. I've seen where he's been because I'm his safety net and after he's found some of these rocks I've had to go get them for him.






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