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 05-21-2003, 07:37 Post: 55248
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I have a B6200 that has never had a problem. While using the finish mower, I went through heavy grass and the engine stalled. Now I can't get the engine to crank at all. Any suggestions?






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 05-21-2003, 07:52 Post: 55252
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I hope it wasn't blowing black exhaust before it stalled. that would be a sign of over-heating. If the engine won't turnover now, it could be seized. I surely hope there's a less serious explanation. Ran out of fuel maybe?

About the only other connection I can make between cutting high grass, stalling and then not turning over is something caught and disconnected a safety interlock. That idea might be a stretch but I would check over the starting system and battery.






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 05-21-2003, 07:57 Post: 55254
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Tom, No black smoke. The engine won't even crank. When I turn the key backwards to 'preheat' the engine and oil lights won't even glow.






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 05-21-2003, 08:27 Post: 55257
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If you don't have any dash lights coming on, it's an electrical problem. You might check all the fuses and check for loose wires. Heck, even check the battery and terminals.

If you do have some of the dash lights coming on, with key on, then it's most likely a safety interlock issue. Wiggle and giggle them. Sometimes we forget to do one little thing that'll keep it from starting. Like PTO off, clutch in, in neutral and so on.






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 05-22-2003, 04:44 Post: 55316
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I'm assuming there are no dash lights when the switch is in run either. Like Billy said 'No dash lights means electrical.' Some tractors like my Ford use fusable links, which are sort of a main breaker for the fused circuits. They look sort of like a fat section of wire and can be hard to find. I looked for mine a bit just to see it but never found it. It's probably inside a wiring harness. Other tractors may have a normal fuse but there probably is one or the other.

Such a thing would be the usual candidate when there appears to be no power anywhere, although it's hard to connect heavy mowing with blowing a main fuse. Even a really dead battery usually will produce some dash lights. The starter switch would be another candidate. Sorting this out without a wiring diagram may be a little difficult.






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 05-22-2003, 04:59 Post: 55318
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I don't see why an electical problem would cause the tractor to stall, when you figure these are deisel engines and deisel engines don't need a spark. It would explain why it won't start, and why the lights aren't coming on, but not why it stalled in the first place. You can take a running deisel engine and pull every wire out of it, and it will still keep running.

Stalling in heavy grass...no black smoke...now the electical system is dead...I think it had a heart attack. Better call 911.






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 05-22-2003, 07:31 Post: 55327
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sheehan-

The Doctor is on the scene! Step back please!
Situation of circumstance. The heavy grass cutting and the stalling of the engine...really does not offer any reason for the electrical to malfunction, being the fact that it was a mechanical shut down.

The lack of ability to crank, providing as Tom mentioned, the engine did not seize on you, may have been merely a fusible link blowing out.

The B5200, B6200, B7200 oranges, are very simplistic in their electrical design. Trace out from the battery compartment the positive (+) line towards the engine / dash area. You will find a couple different fuses inline, as well as a fusible link. If these check out OK, your problem lies within the ignition switch itself in the dash.

The ignition switch on these units, unlike todays models, feature a reverse glow heat position. You may have noticed that the key chamber of the switch was getting a little loose feeling, or wobbly, despite a tight fit into the tumblers. This would be a tell tale sign that the spring loads of the switch were breaking down due to use and many "heatings". Keep in mind that on one side of the switch, you have the glow circuit which carries considerable current for heating the glow plugs, and, the other side of the switch, carries even more current to the starter for ignition. This high current draw is what causes the heat to form on the components of the switch in particular.

As time passes with each use, the components will essentially be re-heat treated and get burned and brittle. The spring loads in the switch, will be the first to their demise as these are the weakest link, beyond the fuses.

I recently had to replace one of my B5200 ignition switches - Backed into the garage in the fall, went to start the next day...absolutely nothing.

I played around with the switch after checking fuses, and the orange started, though somewhat reluctantly. I believe that the sudden mechanical stop through your PTO, had nothing to do with your inability to get started again - that is your tractor's.

My money...place it on your switch!

Have a great holiday weekend guys...be back next week!

Willie H.






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 05-22-2003, 08:49 Post: 55338
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Following Dr. Willie's logic (I think he did his residency in tractology), if you had a major melt-down in the ignition switch there might be nothing left to hold the fuel solenoid open, hence the engine shutdown.






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 05-22-2003, 08:58 Post: 55339
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Yeah, after reading Morgan's post, I got to thinking (very dangerous). It sounds like Sheehan is a victim of circumstance. I don't think the stalling had anything to do with grass. Whatever is going on here, happened when he was mowing and shut the engine down.

It could very well be as Dr Willie stated or it could be something as simple as a battery cable coming off (not likely but).






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 05-22-2003, 09:09 Post: 55343
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I think Dr. Willie was on the right track for sure, but he omitted one other possibility. If there was a lot of corrosion on the battery it is possible that the heavy load produced enough vibration, etc., to finally open the connection totally, thus causing a completely open circuit and no voltage at all in the system. The ignition switch is a possiblity, but not from 'meltdown', the fuseable links would go long before the switch, that's why their function. The real possibility is that, especially if the unit lives outside, the insides of the key switch are rusty, making them a poor connection in the circuit. CAREFULLY bypassing the switch momentarily will tell you if that is a problem

The easiest diagnostic is to turn the switch to the run posistion and follow down the positive side of the circuit from the battery on with a simple 12V. tester, the kind with the light inside, when you lose power the problem is right there.

As for the stall itself, as Mark mentioned, although a diesel does not require electricity, per se, there is an electric solenoid that controls the fuel to the engine, that is how you can shut off the engine with the key, doing so electircally stops fuel from getting to the motor.

Although it is NOT recommended to do so, in an emergency, such as to get a unit to a location where it can be worked on, a temporary jumper wire from the positive side of the battery to the fuel solenoid, and booster cables to the starter will get the unit running.

Best of luck.






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