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 02-13-2001, 18:05 Post: 24209
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I have been planning to buy a new Kubota this spring...B2710 with FEL,back blade,bush hog, and tiller. Just had an acquaintence offer an old '52 Ford 8N series w/bush hog, plow, disc, grader blade, and back hoe....for ~$4000. SInce I am in middle of building a house on 10 acres....needless to say this is a big difference in $$$ that I can spend on a tractor and otherwise sink into the house. My gut feeling is to still buy new.....but I'm tempted to take my chances with old. I understand the ol' Ford is in good working condition....with only a hint of some attention potentially needed to the hydraulics/3 pt hitch. What do you think.....is this a tough decision or not? Don't know if the $4k is a good price.






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 02-13-2001, 19:17 Post: 24211
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ggman, if that old Ford really is in reasonable condition with all those implements; especially a backhoe, he should have no trouble getting $4k for it. Just a tractor alone like that will bring $2k if it's just in good enough condition to move under it's own power in my area. Of course, it's a big price difference for you to consider, but there's just no comparing those old tractors with the modern ones like the B2710 with FEL, power steering, etc.






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 02-13-2001, 19:53 Post: 24212
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ggman, don't know much about old fords, but do know something about people getting squished. if you decide on the old ford, look into getting someone to weld on a ROPS, and add a seat belt. the decision between the two will have to take into act what you plan to do with the tractor. i'd drive the ford and see if you'd be comfortable doing what needs to be done on it.
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 02-14-2001, 05:22 Post: 24221
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GG, many of the landscapers I work with still have the old Fords. They are used mostly for draft work; rake, scraper, ripper, etc. Although the FEL's work OK, they are a far cry from today's machines, and lacking MFWD, they get stuck a lot even with wheel weights. The price is nice but look at it this way, are you and your wife going to put used appliances and old plumbing into the new house? Are you considering something in the way of a nice 50's furnace? Probably not, for obvious reasons. You and your family will have a lifetime together in that new home, why not have a tractor that will be around and running strong in time for your kids' first home? Enjoy life, it is filled with enough grief and aggrevation as it is, you don't need to add to it if you can possibly avoid it. Good luck to you and your family and enjoy the new home, it is a wonderful experience you'll look back on with pride and satisfaction. p.s. Don't forget to take lots of photos.






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 02-14-2001, 13:40 Post: 24230
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I own both a 1949 Ford 9N and a NH TC40D. Bought the 9N around 11 years ago. Loved it, was a great machine for mowing, driveway grading, etc. Needed a loader for some new property and bought the TC40D. Am partial to my first tractor and my memories but am now looking to get rid of it due to how much better the new one works.

Just built a house on the new property this year so I understand what you are going through budget wise. If the choice is between the tractor (which can always be traded in later and won't lose much value) and some significant upgrades to the house (which are impossible or not as cheap to install later) then go for the house upgrades and get the cheaper, but very usuable tractor.

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 02-14-2001, 20:06 Post: 24245
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ggman... there is on thing I am sure of, and that is what Bird said... you just cannot compare the old with the new. The new tractors with hydrostatic trannys and power steering are just unbelievably usefull. I am no expert on 8N's but my father did own one a few years ago. It was useful for hauling firewood out of the woods with a big cart, and it was good for pulling around a back blade or box scraper... we never mowed with it, but I am sure it we would have been able to manage. All that being said, you probably could get by with the 8N. And for $4000.00, you really can't go wrong... if you bought the 8N and later decided you wanted a new tractor, I am almost certain you could get your $4000 bucks back if you sold it. I also know what it is like sinking money into a house... my wife and I are totally gutting and remodeling a 2700 square foot farmhouse that was built almost 200 years ago. That takes just about every extra penny we earn. Not to mention all of my spare time. WIth that having been said... I should tell you that I did not hesitate for one second when I decided to buy my new B7500 last september. And I have never regretted it. Believe it or not, the little B7500 is actually more useful than the 8N ever was. I would go so far as to say that it is invaluable to me. The power steering, the FEL, the belly mower, the 4x4, the hydrostatic tranny, the overall comfort of operation, the durability, the reliability... what more can I say. There is no doubt you will be able to do more, and do it more quickly and more comfortably with the 2710. But you could definitely do it a whole lot cheaper with the 8N. Just depends on what your priorities are. Remember though, how valuable your time is. I know from experience that when I work 55-60 hours a week, and then come home and work on the house, that I want to get things done as quick and easy as possible.. and my little B7500 helps me out enough to justify its cost... at least in my eyes.






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 02-14-2001, 21:21 Post: 24249
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Gettin' some great feedback. Not exactly sure where this leaves me....as painful as it may be, I guess I'm still leaning towards new. I'm assuming the old '52 is not a four wheel drive and that more than anything may make my decision....as much of my ground can be a bit soggy. I also am interested in a set up to have for the long haul.......Thanks.






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ggman, sounds like you've about talked yourself into the new B2710 and I don't think you'll ever regret it. That's what I have and I know I do a lot of things with it that would be very difficult, if not impossible, to do with the old Ford. And, yes, the 4WD really makes a difference. I've had to use my 4WD and differential lock several times, but have never gotten into anything I couldn't drive out of. However, the first year that we lived here, my brother-in-law 4 miles down the road came to get me twice to help him retrieve his old Ford after he stuck it.






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 02-15-2001, 16:15 Post: 24264
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I think Bird hit the nail right on the head... You've probably talked yourself into buying new, and you will not ever regret it. And he's right about the 4 wheel drive too... and it doesn't just make a little difference, it makes all the difference in the world. My tiny little 7500, which is perfect for my 4 acres, can go places and do things that my fathers 8N would have never done. When I imagine my tractor only having 2 wheel drive, I only think of all the things I couldn'd do with it. I can imagine how much more versatile a 2710 would be than my 7500 too... with all that extra hp and weight. If you do decide to buy new, you would have my support... for what it's worth.






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 02-15-2001, 20:11 Post: 24267
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ggman,
I'm with Bird and Duane. Like Bird, I have a B2710 and love it. The decision maker for me when I compared old vs new was that I would never have felt safe with my wife driving one of those older tractors (hence my comment on ROPS).
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Hey Bird, up here in VT we have a fourth season between winter and spring. We call it mud season, and we've managed to get stuck twice! Once I was lucky enough to have the bucket on to "swim myself free", but when my dad decided to try to rotary cut the marsh behind our pond... In his defence, it's only marshy early spring, and he was following where my wife had gone the summer before, but I had to drop the cutter off the back before we could pull him out. He had the axles in the water! It was actually pretty comical. (Live and learn and have a really big come-along.)






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