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 06-05-2009, 19:46 Post: 163231
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 Kubota HST GST Shuttle or Gear Transmission

Hi All,
I am from s.w. georgia and new to this forum.
I am looking to buy a tractor, 24 to 30 hp in the next
several months. I like the Kubotas and have a dealer locally. My question is concerning a HST transmission
with the front end loader. I was all set to go with this transmission until today, when a Kubota salesman at a dealership, said he did not reccommend a HST with a FEL,
due to the load on the transmission.He strongly reccommended the shuttle shift. Any thoughts, info would be greatly appreciated. Also I am not a mechanic, this will be my 1st tractor purchase. Also this tractor would do more mowing (4acres) than any thing else.
thans--jerry






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 06-05-2009, 20:04 Post: 163232
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Jerry,

I'm a big believer in HST. I have a BX HST model, so it is considerably less HP than what you are looking at, so perhaps what the dealer is telling you might be true, but several others on this Board with more experience with larger tractors and HST vs gear will weigh in soon.

If a loaded FEL has no effect on the transmission, I would go with the HST for ease of use.

Some on this Board prefer gear to HST, but I think if you polled everyone on this Board, HST would win the popularity contest. It's just easier, faster and I believe more precise in tight situations. Many mfg. make HST in pretty big industrial equipment and it works just fine, so if Kubota has engineered it right (and they do very well at this) I gotta believe an HST would be just fine.

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 06-05-2009, 20:29 Post: 163233
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Ground engaging implements put a bigger load on the transmission than anything.

My guess is that if you were to use the loader all day, every day then the shuttle shift might outlast the HST, but you'd probably have to do a clutch replacement or two in the shuttle during that comparison. Then again if you had to use the loader all day, every day you'd be better off with a skid steer.

I'd ask the sales guy exactly what he bases his opinion on - then get the HST anyway. But there's nothing wrong with a gear. I just like the fine control the HST gives you, and if your family is ever gonna use it the HST will be easier for them to operate as well.






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 06-05-2009, 21:19 Post: 163234
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Shuttle shift eh? Me thinks the dealer doesn't have a HST in stock and still wants to make a sale. I'm jis' sayin'.

I agree with all the above--especially the skid steer comment. The non-dedicated, loader-equipped machines a. aren't designed to be used everyday for loader work and b. the loaders themselves are not designed and built for that type of abuse. I define abuse as moving stuff on a regular basis that is stiffer than mulch or manure. Anything above and beyond that you will damage the loader bucket. Forget about scraping or digging dirt. Can it be done" Sure, but at what cost?

Deere makes or rebadges a nice-sized loader/backhoe which is dedicated as a loader/backhoe---not designed to be removed. Not sure about a PTO and being able to mow with--probably not.

I have a 33-HP New Holland TC33D (HST) with Supersteer and 4x4---love it. I don't have a loader on it though---I have a much bigger skid steer for those chores (78-HP). I do have to say that it would be nice to have a loader, but it would be used strictly for lite lifting or moving chores when I can't get the 8,000 lb. skid steer through. The CUT weighs about 3,500 as equipped.

I know of two machines the next size larger than my CUT--a Deere and a New Holland (40-ish HP)--both have loader buckets that have the cutting edge bent 3-4 inches down. These guys know better but think they're running backhoes or even dozers and are/were convinced these machines were up to the task--until they looked at the buckets. The Deere has broken the loader mounts twice and shattered the rear ring-and-pinion, and snapped something in the front end.

Both these guys could have hired me (or anyone) to do their work for less than half of what they have in repairs now. Pride goes before...a bent bucket or broken tractor.






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 06-06-2009, 07:10 Post: 163239
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Earthworks, how could you see through that salesmen and you aren't even there!






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 06-06-2009, 12:45 Post: 163244
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I'm no authority so correct if wrong.

There are several varieties of HST among and within makers (Kubota has more than one kind in its own line). They are more civilized to use, especially if a single pedal gives infinitely-variable forward from the toe and backward from the heel. So you might want to test drive various ones.

The shuttle-shift is designed for excavating all day with constant back and forths. (So the salesman might have been overinterpreting the loader.) It's a tiny bit less power-robbing, a possible factor if you're being paid by the job.

Every system might need servicing. Replacing wear parts in the clutch is not exactly a shade-tree operation, but generally the shuttle system is simpler to service, another reason a commercial operator might prefer it.






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 06-06-2009, 22:17 Post: 163254
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I don't have a fel but for mowing I really like the HST. Now if you have a level, open lawn a gear probably would be about as easy until you go to turn.

Why not ask for a chance to try each type trans? You should have this tractor for many years, take the time to be sure which suits YOU. I understand there is a model of Kubota that has a touchy HST when you stop in reverse.






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 06-07-2009, 01:03 Post: 163255
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Art, before you go off half-cocked, reread my post.

I said "me thinks". Where I from, that's a nice way of stating an (educated) opinion--based on dealing with equipment SALESMEN.

Oh, that's right, YOU'RE a SALESMAN.

And funny, YOU weren't there either.

And I'll say it again: "Me thinks" perhaps you being a salesman--I stepped on a nerve?






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 06-07-2009, 08:45 Post: 163259
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It could have meant the opposite but I interpreted Art's comment as saying that you were correct and clever.






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It could have meant the opposite but I interpreted Art's comment as saying that you were correct and clever.



That's how I read it too, Art was agreeing with EW.






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