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 05-03-2002, 21:59 Post: 38124
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 Kubota Tractor HST vs gear drive

Looking for my 1st tractor, have decided on a B7500. How much cheaper is the gear drive compared to the HST? I figured $14,000 for B7500 gear drive, LA302 loader, and 60" MM mower. Does this sound like a good deal, or should I try to go lower due to the gear drive?






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 05-04-2002, 05:51 Post: 38131
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The price difference is 1600. at retail but that is a small amount if you figure the resale value of a hydro vs the gear drive. You will get the price difference back not only in the use while you own it but also if you make a change.






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 05-04-2002, 06:23 Post: 38135
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Go for the HST. My B7500/HST/302FEL/R4 tires was $12,800 and the Landpride AT2560 rear-mount finish mower was another $1,300. I'd check around for pricing. There was a $1,500 spread between 3 Kubota dealers all within 20 minutes of my place, and the mower prices ranged from $1,300 to $1,799. This is my third tractor. First was gear, second and third are HST. A couple years ago, I almost replaced tractor #2 and was looking at gear tractors due to cost. Glad I didn't settle for one of them.


The dealer I bought from had a Kubota on the lot (can't remember model number) that looked used but had only an hour or so on the meter. The decals were discolored, and some parts looked weathered/faded but there was no apparent wear on the unit. I asked about it, and was told it was a gear tractor, and nobody wanted it. The dealer said he is thinking of putting a backhoe on it to try to get some interest in it. If you are going to keep it a long time, the HST will make it a lot nicer to use. If you decide to sell it for some reason, the HST will make it a lot more marketable..............chim






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 05-04-2002, 07:28 Post: 38138
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In terms of demand, many people think HST is a higher quality product and are willing to pay more for it. Both HST new and resale prices should be higher than a gear tractor. Saying a used HST commands a higher price that a gear tractor is not exactly saying the same thing as saying that the higher initial costs can be recouped when if the tractor is sold. What should be compared is the ratios between new and resale price plus differences in expected maintenance and similar operational costs. The relative difficulties of selling used tractors also should be considered.

Except for oddities like Rolls (probably the Rolls of yesteryear), generally it costs more to use higher quality products over the long run. A long time ago, Rolls was thought to provide less expensive transportation than ordinary cars because they lasted indefinitely and seldom had to be repaired. That’s a way of saying that Rolls had a better price/quality ratio than a cheap car. Of course the high initial price did keep most people from opting for quality.

I'm not actually differing with Art's comment, which I take to mean that it doesn't cost as much as the up front difference in price may seem. But the way I think about it is: Why would somebody pay more to use a lower quality product? If the true long term costs of HST actually are similar or lower than for gears, I take that to be an indication that manufacturers are not appropriately discounting prices for new gear tractors to true market prices. Of course, that couldn't happen in a theoretically pure market, but it also probably means that nobody should have to pay list prices for new gear tractors if they negotiate. Of course there are people like me who don't necessarily think their gears are lower in quality.






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 05-04-2002, 10:03 Post: 38142
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ijustthinkhatwellyeah. what did u just say ?






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 05-04-2002, 13:07 Post: 38143
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Well, first off, I'm not buying it to sell it. I don't see myself buying another one ever as long as this one lasts my lifetime (which is the reason I'm buying a Kubota, for the longevity, right?). As far as durability, I would think that a gear drive would be stronger, more rigid, and less cost to fix if something did go wrong. As far as workability, I'd have to think that for what I'll be doing (alot of dragging, pulling heavy objects, as well as digging, when I can afford that outrageously priced backhoe)the gear drive again might be better. Putting that kind of strain on a HST just seems to me as not a good idea. I understand that the HST would definitely be better for cutting the lawn, but thats only a small part of what I'll be doing with it. I guess I just look at them different than most, because looking at used ones, I tended to shy away from the HST, rather than think it was better. I would have to say that HST is definitely more universal(just about anyone can drive one)but not really better as far as quality. Considering the work I plan on useing it for, do you still believe the HST is more for me?






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 05-04-2002, 19:01 Post: 38144
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During my test drive phase I found it awkward and uncomfortable to hold the HST pedal down for long periods. Plus the constant roar of the engine at a set throttle was hard to get used to. I bought a Deere Gear 4100 and am not sorry. I do not mow…got nothing to mow… but if I did I don’t think I would long for a different tranny. I am a happy camper just picking the gear I want and controlling my speed with the “gas” pedal.






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 05-05-2002, 06:49 Post: 38159
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My comment was intended for anybody who might be interested in mixing tractors and economic concepts. A lack of replies would be a sufficient indication of a lack of interest.

For persons who aren’t interested, the unadorned idea is that if somebody thinks they can buy and operate a HST model as cheap or cheaper than a gear model, they are likely to be disappointed. That's just not the way the world works.

Economics does seem to ramble, but then so does a creek to people who don't notice or care about the lay of the land.






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 05-05-2002, 11:32 Post: 38168
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Having had both, there are advantages and disadvantages with both. Make sure you have the cruise control.
If you main application is mowing there is really little advantage only different actions to achieve the same results. If you have a lot of areas than you need back in, under trees etc. then the HST is better than a straight gear. I am not sure concerning a shuttle shift, probably no advantage. For corners with the shuttle shift you can slow a little keeping the engine speed constant. With the gear you need to slow the speed of the engine and tractor a little.
For FEL loading or back blading the only advantage of the HST to the shuttle shift is that you can release the peddle and the machine stops. You do not need to hit the brake in most cases. You can move backward and forward very quickly.
The disadvantage is that the transmission is using HP to move the hydraulic fluid. You do not have the torque available that you do with gear. If you are using the tractor for plowing, disking, pulling logs etc. then you will not be happy with the loss of torque.
Also as with any hydraulic transmission they are more expensive to fix and more prone to need repair.
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 05-05-2002, 15:24 Post: 38173
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I've operated all 3 (gear, hydrostatic & glide shift) and I don't think anything beats the hydro for loader work. Frees up your hands and you can keep your eyes on what you are doing with the loader. Makes loader work quicker. I've had a Kubota B2910 w/ FEL for a year now and it works great. Maybe if HP is a consideration, you might want to consider bumping up a model or two? The cruise control does come in handy for longer runs.
Good luck with your purchase and you can't go wrong with a Kubota.






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