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 04-30-2004, 23:04 Post: 84832
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 4110 - 2210 same engine diff HP rating

Hi everyone... I've been lurking for awhile. Seems that many of you have the same question I have... should I buy the 4110 or 2210?

I've been leaning toward the 2210 because I like the 23hp engine... but I also favor the strong hyd power of the 4110 model.

I've read thru all the 4110 and 2210 postings (I think) and didn't see what I'm about to ask... so here goes.

The 4110 and 2210 have the same engines, part# AM879207.
4110 is rated at 20hp at 2650RPM -- High Idle is 2850RPM
2210 is rated at 23hp at 3100RPM -- High Idle is 3100RPM
It appears to me that JD purposely derated/lowered the HP in the 4110 by lowering it's RPM range. W/ the 4110 capable of producing 23hp it makes the 4110 a no brainer. Would the 4110 w/ 23hp have been to close to the 4115 w/ 24hp for marketing purposes?

The 4110 and 2210 also use the same HYD pump, part# AM876750
4110 is rated at 5.1GPM
2210 is rated at 3.0GPM
Same pump...yet 2210 only puts out approx. half as much juice.

Weird thing also... Using the JD part page, I could find no PS pump on the 2210. The 2210 literature list each pump seperately then says "Total flow of pumps 5.5gpm." Does the 2210 have 2 pumps?

The 4110 and 2210 also use the same SCVs but diff. RCVs

Last but not least... 3 point hitches...
What is "limited" about the 2210's hitch?
4110's 3 point travel is 11.00"
2210's 3 point travel is 9.76"
Does the 9.76" travel of the 2210's 3 point hitch not meet SAE specs for CAT. 1 hitches?

Sorry to ask so many question on my 1st post... But I figured they all related... anywho... any input would be great.






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 05-01-2004, 00:59 Post: 84837
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 4110 - 2210 same engine diff HP rating

Excellent questions, and I have no real answers but two things I learned about this today: 1) the 2210 doesnt have a tranny cooler, just a little cheap fan like the riding mowers. 2) the gearing is more like a lawn tractor than a compact tractor according to one salesman, but I cant vouch for that.

As to the pumps, the brochure says there are two on the 4110, 5.1 and 2.3 gpm each for total of 7.4

All your questions are good, but I wonder about the non-direct injection engine too.

I am downsizing from a larger tractor so going to the 2210 seems like quite a drop, one I cant take. I think they made the 2210 to compete with the Kubota 7500 (or is it 7510) which admittedly is a nice and popular little tractor. But I just like JD stuff better.

Lets hope someone else can contribute here too!






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 05-01-2004, 08:50 Post: 84859
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 4110 - 2210 same engine diff HP rating

If you buy one of these tractors based on specs alone, you'll be doing exactly what the marketing dept. thinks you will. That's why they spec'd them as they did, just as they did the rest of the JD line.

I went though the same decision last fall and bought a 4110, after talking with a JD dealer 3 states away who was a friend of a friend, and said basically: "the 2210 is spec'd to appeal to people who shop by specs -- the 4010 is more tractor". Yes, he said *4010* and he meant it. I later figured out that he was right. Based on general tractor useage, the 4010 is more machine.

No offense to the 2210 owners here -- they're both excellent machines for different purposes. If your needs are more the conventional homeowner ones, the 2210 is probably the better choice. For me, doing 6 cords of firewood a year out in the woods, clearing a long driveway in the winter, with lots of dirt and fill to move, and mowing as a distant 4th in useage, the 4110 was the right choice. Every day I use it I breathe a sigh of relief that I bought it and not the 2210, nor for that matter, the 4115.

The 4110 is the perfect size machine for MY use -- big enough to do real work, small enough to fit where I need it to go. If it was even an inch wider or with a longer wheelbase, it just wouldn't work for me. OTOH, if the wheels were any smaller, it wouldn't work out in the woodlot.

Given where you're at, A TEST DRIVE is the right way to tell. Specs are a good start, but getting on the tractor will tell you from the seat of your pants what to do. If you can, drive them both in quick succession at the same dealer.






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 05-01-2004, 19:39 Post: 84914
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 4110 - 2210 same engine diff HP rating

I'm wondering if the engines are the same between the 4100 or 4110 and the 2210, just a difference in RPMs ? sounds too easy...love to have 23HP if that was the case...

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 05-02-2004, 09:41 Post: 84958
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 4110 - 2210 same engine diff HP rating

If these are the same engine rated at different RPMs, you can be pretty sure the horsepower numbers donít affect performance. Torque is the twisting force that does the work and the maximum torque is always produced at a lower RPM than the maximum horsepower. The reality is that torgue is measured and HP is simply a calculation based on the formula: (Torque * RPM) / 5252 = Horsepower).






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 05-02-2004, 10:02 Post: 84959
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Most tractors with 12x26 rear wheels have higher revving engines in order to produce more usable ground speeds. The exception is the MF GC series.

Even with the increased RPM the max ground speed on a BX or a 2210 is only 8 mph. My 4100 did 12-13 mph in top gear at 2850 rpm with bigger tires.

The torque curve for these engines really flattens out after about 2000 rpm.

The 4110 makes 39.7 ft pounds of torque at 2650 RPM

The 2210 makes 39.5 Ft pounds of torque at 3000 RPM

The 4110 produces 17 PTO HP.

The 2210 produces 17.7 PTO HP.

Even if you could change the governor speed on the 4110 you would still have to set the same PTO speed at 2650 engine rpm and it would produce the same power at that setting.

The only discernible benefit would be an increase in transport speeds, and that increase would equal about 2 mph in high gear.

Ain't no free lunch here either.






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 05-06-2004, 09:27 Post: 85347
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Good point about the torque guys... I didn't think about that. To me, that makes the 4110 a clear choice

I went to the dealer and priced a 4110 hydro w/ FEL, R4 tires, and folding ROPS at 14,000 + tax.

Although the JD brochure states that a 3pt. mower (61" and 72" I think)can be mounted on the 4110, the dealer advised against putting a 3pt. mower on such a small tractor. I'm not exactly sure what he meant! We never discussed the 4110's ability to run the 60" MMM.

So that brings up a major concern for me... will the 4110 be capable of handling a 60 MMM? If the 4110 can't handle the 60" MMM or rear mount mower, I'd opt. for the 4115. I like the idea of being able to quickly remove the 3pt. mower... but what to do?






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 05-06-2004, 09:41 Post: 85350
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 4110 - 2210 same engine diff HP rating

Don't forget, horsepower is a relative figure, and it's related the most to how good your mechanic is.

It is a VERY simple procedure to tweak almost any diesel engine. We routinely crank up our units by a few horsepower. It is a 5 minute operation and doesn't even require disassembly in most cases. Any good diesel pump shop can do it for you if your dealer won't.

Just as in trucks, it is very common to have the same engine adjusted to produce a variety of power outputs depending on the application.

In fact, the 'super chip' style reprogramers are now available for most newer full-size tractors running a computer-controlled feul delivery system, just plug them into the engine's computer and push the button for extra horsepower. In some cases it can make more than 100 extra ponies.

Best of luck.






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 05-06-2004, 10:28 Post: 85356
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Believe me when I tell you that Deere is very conservative when it comes to recommending what their machines can run.

These guys never play near the edge. If the sales literature says the 4110 will handle up to a 72" 3 point mower..... and it does say that.... you can rest assured they know what they are talking about.






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 05-06-2004, 10:50 Post: 85357
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 4110 - 2210 same engine diff HP rating

Cherymax - I was in your same dilemma about a year ago. And after what I thought was a thorough comparison, I went with the 2210. I only found this board after I had already bought the tractor (too bad). Now, a year later, Iím talking to the same dealer about trading up to the 4110.






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